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It's from Heckler

It's the 8th generation 10.2 basic model, from 2020.

I've had an iPad on the wall for more than a year, charger connected full time via Texas POE and have not had any issues, presumably thanks to the power management feature you've mentioned.

i have no idea what you're talking about, in either sentence.

You missed the point. OP wants to use HA for everything else, while using C4 for lighting only. That's what I've been doing. My answer concerned his options if the current integration HA-C$ integration is taken away. Stripping out the C4 is a viable solution in that case.

Welcome. The integration is not dodgy, it is quite stable and works well for lights, but it does seem to have a target on its back for at least one apparent employee of C4. You will find that discussion here beginning on page 4 or so Why? Seemingly because they are devoting time to swatting gnats (an unofficial integration used by like 70 people) rather than fixing the big problems. Now, on to your larger post. Getting HE is a good idea to see if it does what you need (you will probably hate the interface and programming model unless you just travelled here from 1998). Any dealer can get you the license key for $150 I think. But if it works for you, your plan will be good as long as the HA integration remains. If it goes away you have at least two options: 1. Strip out the c4 switches. Unless you have panelized lighting, there’s no wiring, its all zigbee proprietary wireless. You can just remove them and replace with whatever open solution you want. Since you didn’t pay for the initial cost, but just took it with the house, you don’t really have a sunk cost problem. You can do what you want. 2. I believe there is a driver based C4 solution to integrate with HA from berto but it requires some mqtt setup. I haven’t investigated that closely. Your plan sounds good to me. It’s what I’ve done, mostly. I’ve been very happy with it.

Well he has renamed himself “defunct”, so probably figured out he made a misstep.

You are correct in every respect. Ds2 is shameful junk. There’s not a mounting plate or retrofit kit, unfortunately. I’d think you could have one fabricated.

I wouldn't say smug, I would say, optimistic in the face of the evidence.... https://www.fool.com/investing/2022/03/23/why-snap-one-stock-got-destroyed-today/

Saw that.

https://investors.snapone.com/news-releases/news-release-details/snap-one-reports-fiscal-fourth-quarter-and-full-year-2021 Well - net loss of $36.5M, up $11M from last year. a near $100M swing in net cash flow (from $64M at end of 2020 to -$30M now), and half the cash on hand from last year. Bunch of non-GAAP numbers to pretty it up of course. Guess I was wrong, everything is great.

These are missing the point. The lower end of my profession is incompetent too. The point is that there are dozens of other firms that are competent; competency isn’t “special” and commands no premium. So fungible 90% of the time. Same in this field.

I will say only that - it's true of my profession too

I can tell you've not hired a personal chef, because that is nothing like having home automation and infrastructure installed and configured/maintained. I don't mean to be insulting, it is true of my profession too - but home automation dealers are largely fungible for 90% of customer needs. Any one of dozens in a given metro area could do it. So costs are a primary consideration and it is suitable for an RFP process. Personal chef, not so much.

It's ok, I'll take care of it myself.

Why don't you share the literal words of your post with them and verify your assumption, or pm me their email address so i can do it? We can see whether you're right. It wouldn't fly in my shop.

c'mon. It's at least two: C4 (slow) and whatever dedicated camera/nvr app one has. The internal camera support is bad. It most definitely happens.

i agree with all this, which perhaps got lost in all the OSS discussion

That is some serious blinders you've got on. I suspect a major source of churn is customers asking why, on a point by point basis (cameras, geofencing, doorbell, alarm, thermostats, Apple TV support), their 50k+ (charitably) system has fewer capabilities than what the guy next door has bought for less, maybe from a best buy, maybe from an installer who didn't try to upsell them a full system (they exist). Do you mean integration? I'm not sure how a two-app solution (one of which is slow to load) is better than a 3 or 4 app solution.

That may have a lot to do with it being a Windows-98 era GUI with an opaque programming model, and many important features (like finding what's actually been programmed) hidden or unavailable. But I take your point. I've made my counterargument (repeatedly). The good news is that we can just see what happens. Given the confidence expressed here by the home team, I'm sure next week's earnings report will confirm the entrenchment, stay-the-course strategy. Given that we are (hopefully) exiting the most sustained focus on the home in recent memory, there's no way a home automation company that knows what it's doing could lose money during that period.

Nice lashing out. Someone is, as the kids say, b$%%hurt.

This is less frightening than your apparent previous authority, if authorized, to have parts of people banned from the ecosystem. Now it's entire people? heavens to betsy.

You said this in July, too, so see attached i guess. This is another classic step in the crash cycle - swatting gnats (or promising to) while ignoring big problems.

This type of smug certainty is part of every crash cycle. I remember it well when I was part of the Palm ecosystem (including both a hardware OEM and a downstream entity). Next come the big losses (already happened), consolidation with another brand (already happened), retrenchment and sticking it out selling new versions to a shrinking pool of the faithful but failing to grow market, then a last ditch, horse-after-the-barn-door effort dedicated to innovating around the problems, then - fire sale. Looking forward to seeing how it all plays out.