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No. The C4 interface for cameras lags. It’s a big difference. But I understand your motivations. And the fact that you don’t see value in geofencing and presence detection proves why C4 continues to lose money quickly, and perhaps suggests you may not have people in your life interested in where you are, or you in them. I find that sad.

Already did, on the page before. That's the audio distribution interface. Can play any source (local, streaming) to any endpoint (e.g. sonos, TVs, receiver) or group of endpoints. Below is a partial view of the main screen. Among other things, you're seeing a cloud integration with a PurpleAir AQI sensor on my property, as well as a local integration with a weather station on the property. A bunch of automations tied to those. You're also seeing presence detection for various family members, easy as pie, and lots of automations around the climate control (also pictured) and the lighting are based on that. If I’m away, the color changes from green to orange and you can click the icon to see my GPS location on a map. I also gave provided the camera view - it's instantaneous when you click the tab. Is it reminiscent of early 2000 Windows? I dunno. I know there are more imaginative users than I - some have got their whole house 3d-modeled and the interface revolves around that. It's you know, up to the user.

All fud. there’s an app, and remote access is easy. It is far faster to access than C4. And the camera feeds and door cam actually work. And you can actually customize the interface to look and work how you want, as opposed to a static, already dated interface whose sole customization is “favorites”. (And whose big new feature in the last year was “color wheel” LOL)

True, but not in the way you believe.

If OP switches to Home Assistant they will not want the music elements or any other element of control4. And of course it has a concept of music distribution. So much fud

My advice: don't spend more money on something you don't like. Move on. I did, couldn't be happier. What I did to transition off was to leave C4 in charge of the lights, and move everything else off. Apple TVs strapped to the back of the TVs, as you say. Sonos for music. Unifi Protect for door system, cameras; August locks. Whole thing tied together by Home Assistant (there's an integration to poll n control Control4 lighting (but nothing else).

These are really important improvements. I'm very glad to see an emphasis on making them.

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/familyhub/ So it is doable, if someone wants to build a driver.

Happy to speculate, which the OP invited. Assumption: Since it's a popular service, C4 would like to offer this capability. Many "less than whole home" integrations offer Apple Music support, including Sonos, Google home, and Alexa AFAIK, no native Apple Music on C4, Elan, Savant, or Crestron. Sounds like a strategic decision by Apple re: whole home automation vendors.

Yup, this is true. I had always assumed that the access schedule was a standard part of C4 lock support, not the Yale integration. So i learned something new.

I take your point. I suppose the more refined version of "Luma is junk" is "If you intend only to view camera feeds in real time, then you will be fine with Luma and using the C4 app. If you need to be able to easily view/scrub/export captured video/do literally anything else, then Luma is pure junk. Also they will abandon you, as they did with the 501 NVR users."

Luma is junk. Nice for the dealer, because easy for them to support, bad for you. Almost anything else is better. araknis for the routers/ switches is fine. Would avoid araknis APs.

It’s “one and the same.” Back to thinking maybe it is a small fraction.

Don’t sell yourself short. You have maybe a third of my knowledge.

I don't see whey they wouldn't, while they figure out what to do with the other data they're collecting from your network.

Well it’s a lot of work for those cameras to send everything back to the state security bureau in Beijing. …

I believe the answer is: if you have a functioning hub, you don't need Insteon to add new Insteon devices. https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2022/04/19/for-insteon-users/ It also looks like you can get the hub working without the cloud and go from there. https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/insteon/ (see part about "Recovering After Factory Resetting The Hub") Not ideal, but doable. And it's because there's a local API that's known and usable.

Or - buy things with an open api for local control. Insteon owners got saved even though the company is kaput because Insteon permitted local control. Both Hubitat and Home Assistant can drive them. I doubt it would happen, but do you really think you are protected if SNPO goes under? It’s a closed, proprietary system.

It's been a while, but it was nothing fancy like the user management you get in the Control4 lock implementation. IIRC, in Composer there is action for DS2 that is for a given 4 digit code entry, say, 3434. again, from memory, you just program the unlock action off of that.

I have done this with a Yale lock. It should be the same thing in Composer HE - when the right code is entered, send an unlock to the lock.

You are quite the company man, must be a good feeling. Anyways, they are crap because of their poor performance and unreliability. This forum is full of people who ripped them out and replaced with ruckus or UniFi and never looked back. But you keep on selling whatever they tell you to.

The fact that dealers love to sell it doesn't make it any good. It's easy for a dealer to administer, that's it. Same reason so much Luma gets sold. But your convenience isn't really relevant - or it shouldn't be.

Count yourself lucky. Almost anything will be better

Apart from the fact that this is adding crap to crap, no.

I am pretty sure you can set up that overlay through the DS2's own web interface, rather than the C4 one. I'll double check when i get home.