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They throw the touch screen and proximity sensor in for free.
Has the proximity sensor been confirmed? I’m getting conflicting answers.
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18 minutes ago, ChzBurger said:
Ha ha. The video showed a Shelly integration. The guy talked about future Home Assistant integration. One C4 3rd party integration that seems pretty popular is Kasa. People, even rich ones, want to be able to use the stuff they see on Amazon, in Home Depot, or at Best Buy. Some of the Matter stuff is getting interesting, for example. Will C4 users get direct access to these devices? Probably, some day.
This is precisely why I find the synergy of the two platforms fantastic. Anything that works with Control can work in Josh, regardless of Josh direct support. Here’s where it gets tricky… I can control every device on my Control4 system via Josh voice and the Josh App (barely ever open it… I’m here for the voice), so I assume the new touchscreens launching will do the same. Seems like a serious conflict. And potentially a reason why Snap is moving more toward recurring revenue. Less dependency on hardware sales? It’s going to be interesting.
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Do you mean the actual networking or do you mean issues with the voice stream to the cloud/edge? Wifi vs ethernet?
Ethernet is no issue. Wifi can be a bit finicky bringing a micro online. It’s not a reason to shy from it, just that some Micros take more than one attempt to get online. Mostly solid thereafter.
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2 minutes ago, Dueport said:
I really wanted to love Josh.ai but we’re getting rid of it as it has never worked properly over the year we have had it. Often it doesn’t respond to the wake word and has been about 20% effective in recognizing commands for us when it does. Constant problems not seeing Sirius channels or selecting the right tidal tracks and the announcements not working or being too loud or too soft. Given the positive praise for it from others I suspect our experience has been largely due to a poor installation by our local integrator for whom we were their first install. While we love the C4 navigators, I agree the Josh app is very well done but I suspect their push toward full control is, in part at least, a tack from their initial voice first approach because voice is very hard and they don’t have the ability (good AI models) to get it better.
Without question, the network chipset in the Micros is finicky (versus flakey). I tell my clients to turn off the "wake Beep" on each Micro as it seems to work 100x better in catching the commands. Once that's done, I never have issue with Josh understanding a command, nor have I gotten negative feedback regarding not understanding (with the "wake beep" set to off in each micro). It's not listening for that split second and sometimes causes issues with the command.
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2 minutes ago, Shoe said:
I'm likely jumping on the Josh.ai train and integrating. I get the conflict and some of it is inside baseball. The remotes are not their hardware and simply run their apps. I realize that is splitting hairs, but it's just an android stick. I don't think C4 should have sued before trying to come up with a solution that was mutually beneficial. C4 could build a Josh.ai voice system if they wanted, but given their finances and staffing I'm not sure it's recommended. I love competition and hope we see some, but lawsuits seem excessive. Sue AVA and not Josh.ai. Somehow I'm doubting there was any agreement on what form factor the Josh.ai app was limited to run on when integrating into C4. Maybe I'm wrong.
I'd like to hold one of the AVA cin remotes. I feel the new clicky glass wheel is too low on the device to balance well based on seeing it, but not touching it.
The software UI changes didn't wow all that much.
The integrations with things like Shelly has potential, but I feel like this is preparing them for the market between Home Assistant and C4.
I think the new screen missed by not having a 4 mic farfield always on mic. If you have proximity and nano like mic at the screen location you can have context aware screens that change on you before you even touch. Looks nice. Hope it can be wifi and line powered vs POE.
I am a Josh dealer and I am a huge advocate for Josh.ai integration with Control4. It's wildly powerful and until you live with it, you can't imagine what it brings to your home. I do agree 1,000,000% the touchscreen mic situation is a HUGE miss. I can't tell you the business it would have generated, let alone the fact that I would be installing them in my own home the day they start shipping.
Shelly integration is great (but for us with Control4, we already have it)UI changes are very nice, but it was never really bad.
The recurring revenue model isn't a huge burden at $60/mo up to 500 devices controlled. I would pay more for as much as we use it. The hardware is a barrier to entry for some, but once you sink that cost, you sort of forget about it lol!
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11 minutes ago, therockhr said:
I have to admit this looks pretty good. I feel like I misjudged this system.
That said, if i was Control4 i would be blocking them access to the system.
Block them out of spite? What good would it do? The only path to blocking them would be if Control4 has a voice product up their sleeve. I must admit that during litigation, releasing touchsceens and more remotes seems a big effU.
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any USA based Lutron Palladiom dealers here? Have a customer who needs a large order of 42 - WIN-BRK-LWC-BLA brackets.
I am and would be happy to help. Message me. I’m not around much this weekend, but Monday for sure.
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You can only have one sensor per t-stat.
You COULD use other sensor options and use relays, but it's going to feel clunked together (because it is)
So a current Control4 TStat can run solely on a battery and basically act as a wet contact to open and close the 2-wire circuit per temp measurements?
If so, I’d likely power them from a 24v supply in the boiler room with battery as backup.
My issue was that I didn’t realize the current C4-TStat would work with two wires (relay/wet contact). That’s where I got stuck.
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Based in NE as well here. I wouldn’t do any of that above.
install temp sensors at each thermostat location and move all thermostats down to the boiler. Install a separate 24VAC power supply and wire each thermostat to it for constant power.
This is what I’ve done in my own house and many others that have the same systems.
I hope this isn’t more confusing.
I was more inclined this direction, but I’m confused. Are you then running several separate smart C4-TStats in the boiler room? I was considering having 1 for the sensor connections and a main zone and then an IOX or 2 to open and close the individual room contacts per the individual C4-sensor readings. I assume there are variable exposed on the tstat driver for each sensor?
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Have a client with a boiler system with baseboard units in each room with a 2 wire tstat opening and closing the valves back at the head end. I'm sort of at a loss for the best solution to integrate the heat in this home. I know the previous gen C4-TStats could run on battery power and would work with two wires (like a basic relay). But I am not sure how the latest gen would work here. In this scenario we'd need several relays, so I don't think a Control4 tstat solution would work. Any help would be appreciated. This is not crazy uncommon in the NE US homes.
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The biggest issue is the confusion surrounding the entire preview of the new program from the dealer network to the end user. I think once things are made clearer it’ll turn out to be the right thing for everyone involved from Snap>C4>Dealer>End User.
There are real benefits to the variety of different types of users. And theses are different based on the client system type and needs. One thing I like about this program is that Control4 acknowledges there are luxury systems AND single room solutions and everything in between. Some other platforms are priced simply luxury. In my experience, our clients are 50% luxury, 15% single room solutions and 35% in between. I think the new program benefits all of those clients based on the uniqueness of the system type and scale. It also will encourage the dealer to put forth best efforts, because there’s no place to hide poor setup/programming once Connect is in effect.
As far as the dealer incentive, we all understand that nothing will replace a truck roll to do initial structured wiring, trim out, setup and programming. There are times when a truck roll is the only solution to solve a problem. This program will allow us dealers to focus on providing the best we can be in those areas and lays off a lot of simple issues to Connect Support. I think the compensation to the dealers remains unaffected, if not a tad better in terms of incentivizing use to make sure our client is happy.
Change is scary, yet inevitable in any business. It’s typically well thought and when we look back it turns out it was a good thing. I’m sure this will play out to be just that.
So hey fellow dealers… I guess the clients we used to get a kick out of for calling it Connect4 were right all along.
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Thanks for asking.
You know, I don’t really know. It was an upgrade to a $60k laser. I know the owner we sold it to from our showroom demo said it was bright and perfect. We didn’t have the theater on except during demos and only for a year or so. Bulbs are cheap(ish) under $300 if you need to replace in a few years. I’ll drop the price by $150 to offset the cost of a new bulb of you need later. And I will guarantee it works great.
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1 minute ago, Carol Delany said:
That is really nice! If the bulbs are 120v and dimmable, you can always just use a Control4 Outlet Dimmer. I have several in hand if you determine the fixture can be dimmed safely and have interest. Message me if you would like one. I have both new and used an all are the current model.
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never have had that problem with any matrix....
I didn’t get a chance to replicate yet. Maybe someone who also runs a video matrix can chime in. I can’t remember the specific issue. But I assure you it was a problem.
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(Mini apps aside) - In your standard distribution setup in C4, do you typically lock players to rooms? There is definitely a quirk I have seen in more than one system whereby a single mini app per service didn’t work.
I will try to replicate the situation and let you know what/why this isn’t always possible (single app/service). Like I said, I am distributing via a matrix in my own setup and recall I couldn’t use a single miniapp per service. Would love that, trust me.
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I believe there is an exception when using video distribution. Someone can confirm, but I recall a reason they’d be required on a per room basis when using distribution.
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Hell No, the M series laptops are the best laptops I’ve ever owned. I’ve owned an MBP m1 and m2. It’s the best battery life of any laptop. From a developer perspective they blow away a windows laptop.
I run compose on parallels with my m2 without issue.
^This^
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OP, have you had any luck having Mitch or another dealer help out? If so, great. If not, why don’t you post the model of the display. This way we can look at a native driver specific to your model etc. There are lots of great guys here that can help, just thought letting us know the model could streamline the effort. Best of luck!
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Bump and price reduced to $1700 shipped to the US.
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I still have two remotes at most of my watching locations. A neeo and a halo. The halo just doesn't work sometimes so I have another remote to reach for. It has gotten better but its not as good as the sr-260 or neeo.
Same here, but I lead with the SR260 lol. No Neeo since I still use TiVo STBs.
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Josh and Roku?
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All of the Josh AV routing is pulled in from C4. In your C4 project, make sure the Roku is in the room you are wanting to send Josh commands to and it’s working in your C4 project. Passthru should be set to on in the C4 driver and be sure to leave “Roku”unhidden in the C4 navigators. That’s annoying, but necessary for deeplinking.
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