Time2Jet

I assume he means “controller” unit. But I could be wrong.

(Forget I even said that… if he has no dealer who would have replaced a controller unless an eBay unit (which would explain a lot).


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If they work, it’s a great deal for each. If someone is running any of these, for $100+ shipping, it’s a must grab for backups.


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Good deal! Reach out to @DanITman and try out the Extras driver. It’s pretty awesome and many further enhancements are in the pipe.


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Whenever I start a Sonos Playlist from C4 it works just fine. But, when I want to change playlists, I can select it from the Listen -> Sonos Favorites screen but instead of first clearing the current playlist in Sonos and replacing it with the newly selected playlist, it instead just adds the second playlist to the Sonos queue. I have confirmed this by opening the Sonos App and watched this happen (the queue went from 12 songs to 24 songs... each playlist having 12 songs).
I don't see a Programming Command to clear the Sonos Queue. Anyone know a way to resolve this?

That’s certainly a plaguing issue, but thankfully it’s been addressed with a new 3rd party driver that’s currently at the end stages of Beta and about to be launched.

I’m the meantime, you’ll want to trial the new “Sonos Extras” Driver by NXGenAV. It is currently in Beta and has a “clear queue” feature that will do exactly that, as well as some nice extras for Sonos Soundbar Modes control (dialogue enhancement/night mode via nice clean UI Buttons that do toggling of modes in the C4 interfaces) with plenty more great “extras” in the pipe. @DanITman , one of the company founders, and the product “Owner” for this series (and lead developer) will be “currently” directly supporting the Beta. I think the trial is only 30 days, but that will give you plenty of time to fall in love with it.

Although nothing is in place today, NXGenAV will be working towards supporting this fantastic forum in some meaningful way once that’s worked out with the Admin (and offering discount codes for all NXGenAV C4 drivers for members of the forum).

The final distribution channel for NXGenAV drivers is not finalized, but it would be the hope that NXGenAV drivers will be accessible to all dealers via a depot such as drivercentral (versus its own portal) simply for accessibility to all.


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46 minutes ago, therockhr said:

i can t remember if this has been asked but can does the driver have the ability to dim down/up?

It does.  It's a pretty thorough driver.  Considering the low cost of devices, it's a really good driver.

I am having an issue with multipe LB130 bulbs in a scene where they will not turn all of the way off.. the issue is that they still slightly glow when "Off" in the scene.  The scene is bound to a keypad button, as are the individual lamps.  They turn all of the way off when the operated individually.  What am I missing?

This is a good point, If an end user prefers to program all of his keypads, maybe it's best that  we don't make any bindings and allow them to programming their operation in HE.

I think more than anything, the issue everyone is having with SR/Neeo/Halo/Touch remotes is just the inconsistencies in how they operate. Is that a reason to complain? I’m not sure anymore. For the foreseeable future, C4 is offering all 4 to dealers (albeit, most dealers try to limit offerings to the current direction unless the client requests otherwise). I think my biggest issue is that Halo isn’t really a consistent platform, considering the Tactile & Touch versions work differently. It takes a minute to adjust if you have both in different rooms of your home. That’s my biggest gripe, but I’m glad to be complaining. I still think they are fantastic remotes (other than us all being spoiled by the SR & Neeo battery life). But if you consider your phone goes on a charger nightly, it’s to a degree, expected.


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18 minutes ago, pinkoos said:

Yeah my dealer just seems very hesitant for some reason, though I'm sure they could figure out how to do the things you mentioned above in case I can't

One related question - regardless of what new hardware I get, if I create my wifi network with the exact same SSID as my current network, will that allow all devices in my house to automatically connect to the new network without any configuration?

Yes, they can keep the same SSID's, they will know how to do that, but you'll want to reinforce that to them.  Why do you want the Unifi network?  If your dealer wants to put in a different network, my point is "let them".  They have to support it.  And maybe another dealer can chime in, but I think an Araknis/Eero rooter to tooter network is supported directly by Control4 tech, which gives you an extra layer of comfort knowing they can support you via any Control4 dealer, regardless of what dealer put it in.

In no way is this a knock on Unifi, but for just a home AV network you won't experience any appreciable difference over the others.  If you came here telling us that you love Unifi protect cameras, etc... they I would say 100% Unifi is the way to go.  A ton of dealer/techs (and most of my buddies) use Unifi in their own projects because they like the "at a glance" look at the network and the Unifi camera app is crazy nice over others right now.  But - my buddies are tech guys that understand networking.  If you want a network to run your home automation system and be able to connect your phone and devices to wifi, go with your Dealer's recommendation.  

Best of luck!  You are asking good questions.

I think this boils down to support.  What exactly are you looking for in terms of support?  Unless you are setting up vlans, moip, etc., home av networks are quite simple and abide by standard simple rules.  But like others have mentioned, Unifi still requires a general understanding for things like setting up Static IPs, a DHCP Range, DHCP Reservations/Wifi Channels etc.  If you are not comfortable with those tasks, just have your dealer install and support whatever they are comfortable with.  You'll still be able to plug in devices (because of DHCP) and access the wifi SSID's and maybe they can show you how to reserve IP's or set up Static IPs.  

The looks shot between Snap & Josh when passing each other's booths.

4 minutes ago, RyanE said:

Why are you asking a plumbing question in a Home Automation Forum, in response to a post about the electrical hook up of a garbage disposal?

RyanE

His handle is one letter short of an explanation for that...  @diwit just having fun at your expense. 

I'll mark this FS as "Pending" as she just called and may want to keep them.  I'll follow up!

I have a Black and a Silver new Halo Touch.  Selling for client that bought 2 of each and doesn't like them enough to keep 2 of each.  These are unopened, new.  

Messages Only Please.

TIA

This is a Used (Demo Unit) in perfect working order.  No original Box.  Comes with Power Cord and I can scare up some rack ears if needed.

$350 Shipped anywhere in the CUSA.

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TIA

Bump. Qty Adjusted.

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Unfi Price is $699 plus tax (and shipping if they charge for shipping).

My price is $575 shipped free to the CUSA

Please Message me if interested in purchasing.

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2 hours ago, ClassicMuscle said:

From an audio perspective only, what is better for distribution for 21 zones?  Doing a Triad 16 and Triad 8 (stacked properly) or doing Binary Moip audio senders for each audio zone?  Not worried so much about the audio quality, just looking for which will be most dependable, work the smoothest in the C4 app, and play continuously without crashing.  My wife and I like to keep either Pandora or Sirius XM playing softly in the various zones (probably 5-6 zones) nearly 24 hours a day.  It's like "mall music" in the house to us and when the music is off, we feel like something is missing, lol. 

I agree with @gregheard regarding the AVPro 24x24 matrix.  It's really hard to overlook the support and warranty.  Plus, it does a little more natively with being able to feed it audio back from a display for instance (up to 130m via a balun or out to a zone via a balun).  That's not a knock on Triad, as I use it in my office and it's been great.  But I have 3 AVPro 24x24 in the wild with zero issues so far.  The driver is bulletproof as well.  I think most AVPro products play very nice with C4 and to be honest, I think you'll save money with AVPro versus 2 Triad Matrix's.  

I am looking for a 24" 1080p Smart TV for my Master Bath Soaking Tub.  Has to be a 1080 since I can't scale down to 720.  I found a one that is a FireTV at Best Buy:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/insignia-24-class-f20-series-led-full-hd-smart-fire-tv/6446230.p?skuId=6446230

Will the FireTV driver control the TV (Off/On/Volume)?

 

On 8/25/2023 at 12:40 PM, cnicholson said:

Another issue with voice control is location awareness.  Without this, voice becomes a lot less useful.  "Open the shades" or "dim the lights" becomes pretty useless if you have to say "dim the lights in [insert name of room that people don't know the name of]"   Josh's solution is "no problem, buy 20 Nanos and pre-wire before you build your house!," but, if you're using a Halo button (or my dream of "always listening when in cradle"), C4 always knows the room you're in because YOU TELL IT what room you want to control ahead of time--- and yet you can still move it around to different rooms (no drywall work required for clean deployment).  I think this is a key point.

Josh Micro rings that bell and it can be plugged in and sit on a table like Alexa or via PoE*.  Room awareness is one of Josh's greatest attributes.  (*Micros can also be wall mounted and even recess mounted with a WallSmart)

Voice will be the UI when the pocket screen is no longer an object of our affection.
Over-simplifying people into "glued to screen", and it's a "communicator".
The glued to screen who live through their phone on social media, music, streaming, email, text, and all their apps, will not look beyond it for other means of world interaction.
Why do I want anything else? Everything I need is right here, in my hand, every waking moment. This is my world.
On the other hand, people who aren't so, are more living in the moment and voice becomes a 'less techy' way to interact with their environment. No touchscreen (wall phone), not keypad (button phone), not remote (wireless button phone). They also tend to be less control detailed. I want classic rock, set the lighting to chill. Not the extra thoughts of which artist or song, or what do I need to achieve chill, let me spend 10 minutes getting that just right, opps lost that mood moment.
And with AI being drawn into voice now, it's a simpler place to get the answers to questions; no typing, searching, clicking, opening closing, etc.
Again, less screen time. I spend all day at work staring at a screen, typing, mousing.
Addressing time2jet's comment regarding the automated house, reacting based on time, location etc. You're right. But who's going to program that? That's a lot of personal information for a programmer to learn from a client who took 10 minutes choosing white or black speakers, and the ideal client isn't interested in spending his own hours to figure it out. And their spouse is different from them, so double that, and they may have little interest, I just want to flip a switch. For the few though, their is added satisfaction is defining that perfect moment. So ultimately it will come with a learning AI.
I always laugh when Piccard has to ask for Earl Gray Tea Hot. Really? He can self destruct the ship with a voice command, but has to go all Alexa for a drink. "Tea" that's all, fix the programming. Now granted maybe other times he wants it different, but not that we see, should have a default. (Or perhaps Star Trek is incorporating the Dune doctrine of non thinking machines, nerd but not super nerd).
Josh AI isn't there yet, but it's the closest.
Watch your client, glued to their phone, it's a hard sell.

I rarely ever use my phone other than IA when I’m away from home. I find it more cumbersome when I can use my voice or a remote. And this is coming from a guy that rarely looks away from his phone during the day at work.


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Personally I just don't find voice to be a compelling ux

We normally agree on things, but I beg to differ here. In my opinion, true automation should lean toward less user interaction and more intuitiveness. This isn’t to say that Voice integration is “intuitive” per se, but certainly removes some of the physical actions required to fire a “then” scene (scene being a very common Josh term).

If you look back through some of my old posts I have always felt that the future of automation was voice, motion, occupancy and fencing (since they haven’t figured out how to read our minds… yet) via programming. When we walk into a room at a certain time or day, maybe certain lighting fires at one time, a different brightness fires at another time and potentially no lighting fires at another time. When someone is sensed in a room for a predefined period of time, maybe the temperature is adjusted differently. When you leave your home, certain “scenes” may fire and others when you arrive home. When another person leaves the home or arrives home, maybe any of those actions are different arrive/leave scenes depending upon if anyone is still or already in the home. Maybe a scene is fired when a vehicle arrives in your drive and maybe that’s different depending on which vehicle or what time it arrives. Maybe an event fires when someone enters a specific area of your home or property. And amongst many many other automations, maybe scenes fire based on time of day, day of the week, month or year. Could also be when you leave the home and rain is in the forecast, you’re sent a notification telling you not to forget your umbrella. The possibilities are endless.

Voice control, eliminates the need to rise out of your chair or bed, walk across the home or room and other overt physical actions to fire a device or scene or to check a status. In the most simple of benefits, Voice eliminates the need for fumbling for a remote or getting up to use a touchscreen.

Control4 is an automation platform and not simply a AV/lighting Remote Control system. We strive to make our home smart and work the way we live.

Josh integration is leaps and bounds above any of the other voice control systems in every way. Integrating Josh with Control4 creates a much more powerful home automation system than either as a standalone. Anything you can do in Control4 can be done via a voice command with Josh using natural language tailored specifically to you. “Hey Josh, who is at the front door” will show you the front door camera (Yea, even a Chime) on the display in the room you are in at that time. And the room level scenes feature allows you to say “Hey Josh, turn on the lamps” (or turn on the ceiling lights, turn off the TV, and turn on the music for example) and Josh knows to turn on the lamps only in the room you are in. If you call the foyer “foyer” and your kids call it the “entry” it doesn’t care. You can say “hey Josh, it’s a little warm in here” and Josh will lower the TStat. It also handles compound commands “do this, this and this” and it accommodates. When I leave carrying something to my car I can say “hey Josh I’m leaving, lock the door in 1 minute” so it gives me time to clear the door before it locks and fires my away scene”. And of course the most advertised feature is that you can walk into a room and say “hey Josh, turn on the lamps, close the shades and let’s watch S1E3 of Better Call Saul. Josh will deep dive programming for you. You can ask for a movie and it will find options for you. (During setup the Josh driver for Control4 finds all of your steaming services and you can prioritize both where it looks first for video or music).

Okay, that was a lot… but it’s my opinion that voice control is very important and Josh is the gold standard in that space, nothing else is remotely close today. It pains me as an end user and dealer for both products that they didn’t form a better alliance and they are at odds legally right now. It is in the best interests of both to resolve this quickly and to the benefit of each.

Turns out this has been a very productive topic.  Good job all.  

MoIP is great, but MXNet is an upgrade. Not by leaps and bounds. The original MXNet 1g product line was very similar to MoIP 900 series. (4K HDR @444 was limited to 30hz - most of us wouldn’t care to be honest), but has a better interface for the installer.

A good solution here could be the modular AxionX platform by AVPro. It allows for video matrixing (via HDMI and HDBT Sources and HDBT or HDMI outputs) as well as audio independent matrixing. (There are also some crazy modular upgrades that does mission critical video scaling “think medical applications”.) The max on a single unit is 16x16 (independent audio streams count as inputs against the 16 Ins). But the units can be looped out and stacked (AVPro will customize a stack solution to get you to 21 zones). Regardless of any of these solutions, you will still need amplification. I don’t mind Triad one bit. I haven’t experienced the same issues others mention. Triad has been solid amplification for our clients. AVPro just bought AudioControl which is another gold standard company (in terms of product quality). They mfr audio products such as AVRs, amplification and distributed audio. This allows you to have your entire AV distribution project heavily supported and warranted.

Give them a call, they are really nice people with crazy expertise in AV distribution. If ever needed, support will be second to none.

Feel free to DM me and I can give you some names to speak to at AVPro. They can elaborate and recommend a solution to you (or your dealer) that will work very well and provide you with a minimum of 10 years of peace of mind. They’ll likely be able to send you a recommended solution that you can hand over to your dealer. These are pro and enterprise grade devices that are not sold direct to consumer.

As far as pricing, be prepared to pay a premium, but considering that you will enjoy this equipment for at least a decade supported, do you really pay a premium? I still have plenty of AVPro Connect (prior company name) devices working flawlessly in the field for over 12 years. Jeff and Matt are hands on owners and attract and hire the best engineers in the industry. Although we all know AVPro for Residential and Commercial AV, their products underly mission critical applications in medical and transportation etc., (in areas where there has to be near zero tolerance for failure).


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