ILoveC4 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Can someone please send me that DriverCentral.io cloud driver? Apparently you have to be logged in to download it (which seems asinine considering it doesn't do anything you need to protect) and I can't log in right now. I just want someone to please send me the driver. I have the RATGDO driver installed and license key but need the dumb free cloud driver. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXTR Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 The cloud driver needs a code from drivercentral so if you can’t login to drivercentral then you’re out of gas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanchow Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 2 hours ago, ILoveC4 said: Can someone please send me that DriverCentral.io cloud driver? Apparently you have to be logged in to download it (which seems asinine considering it doesn't do anything you need to protect) and I can't log in right now. I just want someone to please send me the driver. I have the RATGDO driver installed and license key but need the dumb free cloud driver. Thanks in advance. The licence key is assigned in the driverCentral website. What licence key are you talking about? msgreenf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveC4 Posted March 8 Author Share Posted March 8 I have the code. I have the RATGDO driver (although I refuse to buy drivers from DriverCentral, this one got me) and the code for it but didn't have the cloud driver. I have it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveC4 Posted March 8 Author Share Posted March 8 11 hours ago, alanchow said: The licence key is assigned in the driverCentral website. What licence key are you talking about? For future reference, Alan, because I'm a big fan of your work - I'd pay twice the price if I could just buy the driver from you and not have to deal with their licensing garbage. You've got a ton of drivers I'd love to buy, but refuse to jump through their ridiculous hoops. What I'm dealing with right now is a reminder of why I won't be doing it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lippavisual Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 What hoops? Pretty simple process. The driver is needed so a dealer can link licenses to your system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveC4 Posted March 8 Author Share Posted March 8 7 minutes ago, lippavisual said: What hoops? Pretty simple process. The driver is needed so a dealer can link licenses to your system. I have dozens of drivers that I've either written or purchased, and installed. When a license key is required, it's plugged in to the drivers properties. The hoops are exactly this. I bought and paid for the driver over a week ago, and I still can't use it because all of this unnecessary infrastructure. The driver is in my project. Driver loaded, configured, bindings made, etc... But I need to call someone else, ask them to do something, wait, etc... It's insane. Just let me install the driver, and put in the license key. It's absurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 9 minutes ago, ILoveC4 said: I have dozens of drivers that I've either written or purchased, and installed. When a license key is required, it's plugged in to the drivers properties. The hoops are exactly this. I bought and paid for the driver over a week ago, and I still can't use it because all of this unnecessary infrastructure. The driver is in my project. Driver loaded, configured, bindings made, etc... But I need to call someone else, ask them to do something, wait, etc... It's insane. Just let me install the driver, and put in the license key. It's absurd. But how did you buy it without a dC account? If you have a DC account; then you get the cloud driver there... That's why this isn't adding up for everyone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveC4 Posted March 8 Author Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, msgreenf said: But how did you buy it without a dC account? If you have a DC account; then you get the cloud driver there... That's why this isn't adding up for everyone... DriverCentral won't give me an account, so I had someone buy it for me. The fact that I can't get a DriverCentral account is also stupid. I've got accounts with other driver providers, I have access to Control4 equipment and software, I do not and will not have a "dealer" in the traditional sense that most customers do. You can say it doesn't add, but I have the RATGDO driver, I have a license key for it, I have the driver installed and I'm unable to use it. I never should have bought it because it's just insanity. However, I have the equipment installed in my house. If any of you anointed ones that put with DC's bullshiz want to make a few bucks, can you make this driver work? I can give you the code I already have, or I can buy another one if you can give me whatever exclusive access I need to use their special drivers. If that doesn't work, I'll just give the damn RATGDO devices away and go back to not have garage door integration. FYI - DriverCentral SUCKS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveC4 Posted March 8 Author Share Posted March 8 I've shared this with other driver developers in the past. I know that I'm just one person, but I don't think I'm alone, and a driver that is for sale on Driver Central is a driver that I will NEVER buy. Happy to pay a premium for someone who is willing to take my money and send me a driver and a license key without all the stupid hoops and requirements that DriverCentral imposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXTR Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Your frustration is misplaced, the person you SHOULD be blaming is the person who bought the driver for you… for not telling you how it works and also for not taking care of you. FYI - DC doesn’t suck msgreenf, Shoe, neil12011 and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveC4 Posted March 8 Author Share Posted March 8 Just now, BXTR said: Your frustration is misplaced, the person you SHOULD be blaming is the person who bought the driver for you… for not telling you how it works and also for not taking care of you. FYI - DC doesn’t suck DC sucks because they impose a bunch of stupid limitations on who can buy stuff. Superficial ones. Why can't anyone who wants to go buy a driver? They need to be the dealer police? I thought that was Control4's job? The person that bought the driver for me was doing me a favor, and is equally perplexed by DriverCentrals dumb bullshiz. You know the best part? The person that bought it for me only created an account with them because DriverCentral told me know. They happen to have the magical "Dealer ID" that Driver Central covets so much, despite knowing about 5% about Control4 that I do. I'm the capable person, they're the ones that applied for a dealer license 15 years ago and have the stupid 6 digit code that DriverCentral wants. The whole thing is ridiculous. Why DriverCentral locks down who can buy stuff, is why they suck. One of many reasons why they suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanchow Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 @ILoveC4 i sent you this in response to your PM but thought that this should information should be a public in case anyone reads this thread in the future. DriverCentral and the majority of driver marketplaces are tied closely into the dealer model that the industry is based off of. It is history that stems all the way back to the Extra Vegetables days. These marketplaces are not designed to be B2C for one off purchases as support for end users does not scale and any profit is essentially wiped out (or worse). It is designed around a B2B model which involve dealer partnerships leading to skilling up dealers through repeat installations, usage and sales. Note that whoever you purchased the 'licence' off of has you tied into their account. I am assuming that your 'licence' is the driverCentral project token. This token enables the cloud driver to connect the project to a bundle of licences administrated in the driverCentral portal. So my advice is to keep working with them as migration to another dealer is something that only driverCentral can do in their databases. You cannot purchase from multiple dealers essentaily unless driverCentral migrate your project to their account. Hope that helps clear things up. Andrew H and neil12011 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegration Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Alan and others are correct. DriverCentral is a Dealer based model because the systems we connect to are Dealer only systems. Control4, Crestron, Nice/Elan, RTI etc.. can only be purchased and programmed by a Dealership. A dealership license for ComposerPro license is required to add drivers into Control4. If your Dealer does not know how to add a driver and link the token (something that they do when registering your project with Control4) they can happily reach us and we'll walk them through it. On the Driver itself... The DriverCentral Cloud Driver and Licensing through a single driver solves many issues: 1. One License (or token in this case) for all Drivers in your Project. This includes one API call which cuts down on controller usage on saturated projects. 2. Proper auto-update and overwrite protection. Since the Cloud Driver sits outside of the driver being updated it can perform the update in a fail-safe senario. 3. Dealer level cloud management of driver deployment and updates. From our dashboard a dealer can update all of their projects drivers without the need to log into each. This greatly improves overall efficiency and ongoing service. 4. Simple Transfer of Projects between dealerships or if a homeowner changes the Dealer of Record 5. Rapid deployment of additional drivers through a unique licensing file that simply has to be added to a drivers code base. 6. Single management hub for Developers from multiple walks of life to deploy and monetize their solutions. Currently DriverCentral hosts over 460 Drivers from 35+ Developers from 8 different countries. We have been servicing dealers since 2017 and have more than 10,000 dealers that use our software everyday. We stand behind the Control Platforms. If Control4 or other platforms begin to allow End-Users to add devices, drivers and manipulate Connections we may change our stance however for now, licensing and product distribution must go through a dealer. Thank you, AJ Brunson DriverCentral + Cindev + Cinegration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveC4 Posted March 9 Author Share Posted March 9 Mitch got me the locked away and secret CloudDriver (that doesn’t unlock any functionality so shouldn’t be locked away) and I’m in business. Thank you, Mitch! Cinegration 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveC4 Posted March 9 Author Share Posted March 9 5 hours ago, alanchow said: @ILoveC4 i sent you this in response to your PM but thought that this should information should be a public in case anyone reads this thread in the future. DriverCentral and the majority of driver marketplaces are tied closely into the dealer model that the industry is based off of. It is history that stems all the way back to the Extra Vegetables days. These marketplaces are not designed to be B2C for one off purchases as support for end users does not scale and any profit is essentially wiped out (or worse). It is designed around a B2B model which involve dealer partnerships leading to skilling up dealers through repeat installations, usage and sales. Note that whoever you purchased the 'licence' off of has you tied into their account. I am assuming that your 'licence' is the driverCentral project token. This token enables the cloud driver to connect the project to a bundle of licences administrated in the driverCentral portal. So my advice is to keep working with them as migration to another dealer is something that only driverCentral can do in their databases. You cannot purchase from multiple dealers essentaily unless driverCentral migrate your project to their account. Hope that helps clear things up. Totally get it. My beef with DriverCentral is that they’re the one driver provider that won’t let me buy drivers. Every other driver provider does - not these guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveC4 Posted March 9 Author Share Posted March 9 2 hours ago, Cinegration said: Alan and others are correct. DriverCentral is a Dealer based model because the systems we connect to are Dealer only systems. Control4, Crestron, Nice/Elan, RTI etc.. can only be purchased and programmed by a Dealership. A dealership license for ComposerPro license is required to add drivers into Control4. If your Dealer does not know how to add a driver and link the token (something that they do when registering your project with Control4) they can happily reach us and we'll walk them through it. On the Driver itself... The DriverCentral Cloud Driver and Licensing through a single driver solves many issues: 1. One License (or token in this case) for all Drivers in your Project. This includes one API call which cuts down on controller usage on saturated projects. 2. Proper auto-update and overwrite protection. Since the Cloud Driver sits outside of the driver being updated it can perform the update in a fail-safe senario. 3. Dealer level cloud management of driver deployment and updates. From our dashboard a dealer can update all of their projects drivers without the need to log into each. This greatly improves overall efficiency and ongoing service. 4. Simple Transfer of Projects between dealerships or if a homeowner changes the Dealer of Record 5. Rapid deployment of additional drivers through a unique licensing file that simply has to be added to a drivers code base. 6. Single management hub for Developers from multiple walks of life to deploy and monetize their solutions. Currently DriverCentral hosts over 460 Drivers from 35+ Developers from 8 different countries. We have been servicing dealers since 2017 and have more than 10,000 dealers that use our software everyday. We stand behind the Control Platforms. If Control4 or other platforms begin to allow End-Users to add devices, drivers and manipulate Connections we may change our stance however for now, licensing and product distribution must go through a dealer. Thank you, AJ Brunson DriverCentral + Cindev + Cinegration AJ - I get it, and I have all that. All the other driver distributors will sell me drivers, except DealerCentral. I get the dealer model - you just guys have just proven difficult to work with. I can buy drivers from everyone but you guys. Totally get that certain tooling is needed to install drivers - I’ve installed loads of them. I have the tooling, the equipment, the software, etc… all via official and proper channels, yet DriverCentral refuses to let me buy stuff…making me go through an intermediary, which keeps my business going elsewhere. Sounds like you have a thriving business, which is awesome, so maybe you don’t care about me…but that is what has me with negative feelings towards your organization. I’ve reached out several times and lame generic responses back. I’d be happy to discuss it with you if you’d like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 I would say you are not the target market for the product. The target are dealers that do large volumes of work... neil12011 and BXTR 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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