Tokead

I want to do all of that, but unfortunately haven’t had a chance to even try yet. I do have 3 WAP’s setup, but I just login to them each individually (which there really isn’t any reason for me to do aside from firmware updates).
I’m going to investigate “Bakpak” more. If you could share any findings here I’d appreciate it. 

The hardware for the LEDs is some hardware I made (boards, layout, etc.), that uses the ESP8266 Wifi microcontroller and some MOSFETs to PWM the LED outputs.
After that, I created the firmware (Lightning is built into the firmware, it'd be too slow to do that via C4 programming), and then created a driver for Control4.
I use the same modules in my kitchen for over/under kitchen LEDs, but rarely use the lightning mode...
After building circuit boards and 3D printing cases for my LED controllers, I found that you could buy basically the same thing from China for about $10 each...  😐  They even worked with my firmware, if I changed the pinouts a bit: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32833287206.html
All the house lighting is controlled via Control4, the motion sensor and announcements and streaming audio are all Control4, and an Z2IO is used to press the button on a repeating timer for the fog generator (it has to heat up for a while before it'll do fog, so it works best to hit the button every 20 seconds or so, for 2-3 seconds).
The first year I did this, I used the IR controllers that come with many LED lights and a Global Cache Wifi2IR (you could use a Z2IR now)...  It worked OK, but the lightning wasn't great.  Something like this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018ZJL0MO/
The fog pumpkin was some kind of instructable, mostly just bought the pumpkin, bought the fog machine, used PVC from the fog machine to the box under the pumpkin, and used a rotating LED display (Gemmy 966237 LED Outdoor Fire and Ice Lightshow, Orange) for the pumpkin lighting.
RyanE
 

A lot of good points in this thread. 
C4 tried to take over the “highend” residential market, which is a small percentage of the world. (See selling to people in limos comment)
Programming a C4 system used to be an art form  they dumbed it down just enough but not enough to be DIY, which is the biggest issue imo- way too many “dealers” that don’t have the skill or care to do it right  
Video distribution is dead. 
People were not as savvy, now people want to DIY.  
So Control4 has two things left  lighting and audio, and whole house audio is a hard sell these days  why spend all that $$$$ when you can get a $50 streaming box? Costs much more than that to prewire a zone  and put up some brackets
 
lighting is left. But I bought 15 lighting devices in 2014, don’t need anymore. So I am a customer but not a recurring one. 
 
Long story short, their business model is setup for failure, and its failing due to the dealers who are not selling the solution properly, doing a half-assed job at install, and leaving clients hung out to dry when support is needed. 
IoT and DIY are the future
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

As someone that was using the legacy Wakup Agent, #2 is the biggest one for me - the primary reason that I liked that better was that it could be altered from my phone.  Yes, I have a T3, but that's 10 feet away, and when I remember that I don't want the Wakeup running for my son, I'm usually in bed...my phone is closer than the nearest touchscreen...
 
I also miss the thermostat control...

I think we should all just walk away from this thread...

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Thanks, no compelling reason for me to upgrade, and lots of downside - as in replacing several HC250s and speaker points.
I don't care about the UI from controllers as I almost never use that.  I guess a new UI on iOS and Android would be nice, but that isn't worth a thousand $$$ or so.
Will older Matrix amps still work in 3.0?

One of the best threads we have had for years - cheers 

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Use a remote guy. there are a handful on this site. My experience is that they make the local guys look like amateurs because they have a much wider band of experience. They do it at about anywhere from 1/2 to 1/10th the cost. I had "programming" estimated at $8,000 for initial project build and no custom programming. Just basically installing drivers for equipment I had etc. Remote guy did it for $450, it took us a grand total of like 8 hours. 3 years later everything still working perfectly

https://www.dropbox.com/s/s1p6gi4q47ci7z0/experience-button-hottub.c4z?dl=1
 
 
 
Here is an irrigation driver created by another user below. Here’s the link I am hosting.
 

 

 
irrigation custom icon driver
 
 
Happy Automating!!