msgreenf Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 I agree. Homekit is a joke and every year they keep saying it will get better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Control4Savant Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 33 minutes ago, benm said: Which I can get on board with, however C4 have far more to lose than Apple do, so it's a surprise that they're not continually developing and refining against the HomeKit spec to maintain stability. Whether they like it or not, people are routinely going to want to augment their C4 homes with Apple equipment. Furthermore, the common solution seems to be to powercycle the C4 controller, which means that the ability to maintain operability (in most circumstances) is very much in the hands of C4 -- something which they don't seem particularly bothered about, which seems short-sighted at best. Yes, this problem is at the hands of C4. Other platforms including Savant utilize HomeKit for current integration and work reliably even though OS updates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amr Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 23 hours ago, mstafford388 said: I run it at my house as well and have had to power cycle my AppleTV maybe 3-4 times in 2 years or however long it's been since it came out. We have a bunch of clients that had continuous issues though so we have switched all of our clients to IR some time ago. Yeah, this is what I did eventually, switched all ATV’s to IR, actually it’s becoming a headache more than a fun to use, with the latest codecs issues a $50 Xiaomi Android TV box is outperforming ATV in all aspects including Mini Apps and streaming 4K HDR 10 contents flawlessly, something ATV doesn’t have! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LollerAgent Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Amr said: Yeah, this is what I did eventually, switched all ATV’s to IR, actually it’s becoming a headache more than a fun to use, with the latest codecs issues a $50 Xiaomi Android TV box is outperforming ATV in all aspects including Mini Apps and streaming 4K HDR 10 contents flawlessly, something ATV doesn’t have! Have you considered Roku Ultras? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekohn00 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Amr said: Yeah, this is what I did eventually, switched all ATV’s to IR, actually it’s becoming a headache more than a fun to use, with the latest codecs issues a $50 Xiaomi Android TV box is outperforming ATV in all aspects including Mini Apps and streaming 4K HDR 10 contents flawlessly, something ATV doesn’t have! Not sure on the older 4K model, but the new AppleTV 4k has HDR10 & 4K Dolby Vision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LollerAgent Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, ekohn00 said: Not sure on the older 4K model, but the new AppleTV 4k has HDR10 & 4K Dolby Vision. So does the new Roku Ultra. And it's cheaper+less buggy with C4. msgreenf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj4 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 53 minutes ago, LollerAgent said: And it's cheaper+less buggy with C4. But also doesn't haven't GbE which is almost necessary if using HDR/DV (especially so w/Plex). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj4 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/10/2022 at 8:03 AM, Control4Savant said: Yes, this problem is at the hands of C4. Other platforms including Savant utilize HomeKit for current integration and work reliably even though OS updates. This is my stance as well. Savant has it figured out. They know how to deeply integrate with Apple/HomeKit. Granted it helps their entire platform is built on top of Mac's so that integration is super easy. I know this is how Roomie Remote has gotten phenomenal integration as well w/Apple devices/ATVs for directly launch apps as well as showing metadata for w/e is playing on the Apple TV into the remote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LollerAgent Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 9 minutes ago, tmj4 said: But also doesn't haven't GbE which is almost necessary if using HDR/DV (especially so w/Plex). Unfortunate (and stupid) for sure, but most encodes of HDR/DV 2160p content is <90Mbps or so in my experience. I stream quite a bit of HDR/DV content via Plex to the Ultra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj4 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, LollerAgent said: I stream quite a bit of HDR/DV content via Plex to the Ultra. Interesting. My most recent trial of using one for Plex this past spring had it choking constantly. Also had issues with the TrueHD and DTS:X audio tracks in movies. Had it at home for about 90 minutes before taking back to Best Buy and just getting a Shield Pro TV. Now have 3 of those guys and about to get a 4th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LollerAgent Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, tmj4 said: Interesting. My most recent trial of using one for Plex this past spring had it choking constantly. Also had issues with the TrueHD and DTS:X audio tracks in movies. Had it at home for about 90 minutes before taking back to Best Buy and just getting a Shield Pro TV. Now have 3 of those guys and about to get a 4th. Did you confirm it wasn't transcoding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj4 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 2 hours ago, LollerAgent said: Did you confirm it wasn't transcoding? I did confirm. I force all local playback to not transcode anyways. Very much was getting stuttering and then was getting the "not enough bandwidth to play this back without transcoding" message. This is because Plex will buffer for 4K streams at high bitrates, usually well above 100mbps, even when direct playing so fast ethernet is well, still too slow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amr Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 I have no issues with Xiaomi, streams natively, have Tivimate my ultimate aggregator for all Plex TV, Pluto TV, Distro, Samsung Plus TV, etc. Have Mini Apps so am fine for now … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanDad Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Amr said: have Tivimate my ultimate aggregator for all Plex TV, Pluto TV, Distro, Samsung Plus TV, etc. Absolutely love Tivimate. Especially with the Nvidia Shield Pro and AI upscaling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Control4Savant Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 11 hours ago, tmj4 said: This is my stance as well. Savant has it figured out. They know how to deeply integrate with Apple/HomeKit. Granted it helps their entire platform is built on top of Mac's so that integration is super easy. I know this is how Roomie Remote has gotten phenomenal integration as well w/Apple devices/ATVs for directly launch apps as well as showing metadata for w/e is playing on the Apple TV into the remote. For the record.. Savants integration has nothing to do with having or not having an Apple CPU…which the first two Savant hosts are not. Once I load the profile the rest is done from the Savant user app. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj4 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 9:56 AM, LollerAgent said: Unfortunate (and stupid) for sure, but most encodes of HDR/DV 2160p content is <90Mbps or so in my experience. The above are 1-second window captures of one of the more poorly transferred 4k films: Pirates of the Caribbean. As can be seen at about the 130 minute mark, the video bitrate alone (not including audio) jumps to about 110Mpbs. Note this film does not contain the DV metadata layer as it's only HDR10; this usually adds about 10-15% in file size and thus bitrate as well. In this case, you are correct that the bitrate generally sites below 90Mpbs. But that's not accounting for audio, subtitles and DV metadata. Yes those are relatively small in size, but it eventually all adds up and can easily push the total bitrate above 100Mbps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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