rf9000 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Guys, I'm putting together a systme consisting of 24 zones of audio. Are my only two options the TS-AMS24 and the Video Storm CMX3838A2? I want to work and integrate flawlessly with C4. Any input would help. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malfaqih92 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 i got one for sale. control4 matrix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rf9000 Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 For more information, I have three C4-AMP108 amplifiers. I want to use these to power 24 zones of audio. What would I need for equipment to make this work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowitall Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Triad makes a 24x24. For that $$$ might as well go C4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegreatheed Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 The video storm adds some streaming capabilities, but is quite a bit more $$. It's a shame you're pairing these with AMP108's.... those are pretty noisy amps compared to the new Triad Pamp8's. You would get EXCEPTIONAL audio quality with the Triad power amps and the Triad 24x24. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rf9000 Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 knowitall- what do you mean I might as well go Control4? Are you referring to the Triad 24x24? Is there only two options to do this? I see blueprints of homes that do 24 zones and much more. just seems like there would be more options out there thegreatheed- Yup if cost was no object that would be great and I would prefer the Triads. But are they not $1700 each new? And I need three Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggzlot Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Are you doing video distribution? The video storm CMX pairs wonderfully with their Netplay video distribution products. Sometimes video storm has some demo/refurb/returned products you can score at a discount as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rf9000 Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 I'm not doing video distribution. I will probably just have EA1s at 3 to 4 TV locations. Is that what you meant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rf9000 Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 So to do audio distribution to 24 zones, are those two switches my only solution? Also, what if I did have the PAMP8's? Would I still need a large 24x24 matrix? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraydonH Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Zektor is great and will do what you want. Not sure if it will be any cheaper than the triad. http://www.zektor.com/wp/audio-distribution/ I really do like the triad piece If you can get it down to 16 zones your options are endless. Above 16 it's slim pickings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rf9000 Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 Just won't work with only 16 zones. Home is 7300 square feet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rf9000 Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 As far as the Zektor unit, which one would work? Does the ProAudio 1632 give me 32 zones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecodeman Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, rf9000 said: As far as the Zektor unit, which one would work? Does the ProAudio 1632 give me 32 zones? 1632 = 16 in, 32 out.http://www.zektor.com/wp/product/proaudio-16x32/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rf9000 Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 This will act and would be no different then a Triad 24x24? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecodeman Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, rf9000 said: This will act and would be no different then a Triad 24x24? Well, I believe there are features that Zektor has that the Triad does not - for example, doorbell input or lip sync delay. But as far as basic matrix capabilities, yes they both function the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggzlot Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 hours ago, rf9000 said: I'm not doing video distribution. I will probably just have EA1s at 3 to 4 TV locations. Is that what you meant? EA’s do not distribute video, at most they provide the C4 Navigator UI on the screen or a pop up message at most. What I mean is if you have 10 TVs in the house (guessing that number given 7000 sq ft and 24 audio zones) - are you going to have 10 cable boxes - 1 per location - or are you going to get 5 cable boxes and centralize and distribute them? Are you going to get a roku or Apple TV or fire stick per tv or a few and centralize, etc. Anyways, if you start doing distributed video and you want nicer set ups audio wise (more than the TV built in speakers) you start encountering lip sync delays as mentioned above with the Zektor unit. The CMX by Video Storm has the lip sync delay feature, so the video/audio is in sync. If all of your video devices are local per tv then lip sync delay is likely not a major need for you. I know the older C4 audio matrix did not have lip sync delay but not sure about the new Triad Audio Matrix. Zektor and Video Storm have the delay and if you are using Video Storm for video distribution then its a no brained to use their CMX for Audio too. sonic30101 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonic30101 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I think he is not in the distributed video camp and would rather have many boxes in each video zone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rf9000 Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 Yes. I will do a box per TV. And I'm not talking about an audio matrix that works with the TV. This would be just for streaming music so looking for a 24 zone (or multiple units together) that would get it done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rf9000 Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 Have you guys heard of Extron? They have some large Audio Matrix items. I think I saw a 32x32. Or am I looking at the wrong piece of equipment? Looks like it is all phoenix connectors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazybuppie Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Extron makes great equipment. However their solutions will likely cost you more than any mentioned so far in this thread. sonic30101 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rf9000 Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 What about the Extron Mav Plus AV Series Matrix 3232 Switcher? Would that accomplish what I need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonic30101 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Probably, but those might be EOL and getting them serviced will be an issue. The zector or triad way better connectivity options as well. Plus that extron takes up a lot of rack space Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraydonH Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just wondering why your not happy with any of the options listed above? Trying to get the absolute cheapest 24 zones matrix you can possibly find on all of the internet then getting your dealer to install something he has never used before is not a great idea. I hope your looking at the options listed above for more than price, the race to the bottom here is not ideal. Anyways in the pursuit of trying to save a dollar and rig something up I have just got emailed this product this morning http://www.keydigital.com/Items.asp?ItemCode=KDMAX8x8&Company=KEY You can buy 3 of the 8x8 matrixes and stack them together to make a 8x24 output. You need a crap load of rca cables and you have to cascade each zone in and out of each amp. It will also take up more rack space. Key digital products take way longer to set up than a Triad matrix and probably still won't be as good. They come on a static IP and even getting it to DHCP to your network takes some time. But never the less in the pursuit of saving a dollar and trying to guinnea pig something together this is another option. I have never used it before but C4 driver is listed on the website. Guarantee your dealer will charge 2-3x as much labour to rig up 3 key digital matrixes then to put something ideal like triad in there and be done with it. crazybuppie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Composer4hire Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 The mav works well. does sometime require a reset and the initial wiring is a pain in the ass with the phoneix connectors. and I concur with sonic its a giant piece I think 6U in a rack if not more. Ive worked with a MAV 48x32 in combo with a Xtp xpoint hdmi matrix and they are solid overall for a large install Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lippavisual Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 EXtron makes solid gear marketed more towards the commercial environments. Hence why there are Phoenix connectors for the connections. They allow to use mic or line level based signals. You should only be looking at the products already mentioned above. Those are the only ones that are available and tested in many installations of that size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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