Dimmer

[Amal]

When I connected light driver which have only function as on and off(not dimming) is connected to Adaptive phase dimmer , is it work as ON and Off  in keypad.

We already connected all type of lights to our dimmer but the problem was only want to dimm 2 type of light ( chandelier and wall light) and all other lights  are not dimmer driver so my question  is it work as ON and OFF through adaptive phase dimmer?

[Cyknight]

Bit of a rough piece of text there.

 

1) You're simply wanting to have certain lights be full on or off: if so, the dimmer can be set to have a minimum on of 99% and a short ramp time of 250ms. This will make it act like a switch 'feel' wise especially from it's own buttons and keypads (but it will still show the dimmer slider on touchscreens etc.)

2) You have devices that cannot be dimmed:

2a) These devices are motors: you MUST replace the dimmers

2b) These devices are non-dimmable LEDs. You MAY get away with what was done under point 1), if that doesn't work, you will need to replace with switches.

[RyanE]

It's usually dodgy and never a good idea.

That said, I've done it before.

RyanE

[BDavisNJ]

@RyanE  I also have a dimming question, please, and would be appreciative of your thoughts: When using a C4-DIN-8TV-E to control 0-10V lighting, the C4 technical documents outline two options to consider when separate on/off control is required.  The first is a C4 Relay Module (C4-DIN-8REL-E1) and the second is external relays.  This makes sense and our experience in using external relays is excellent.  Our question, please: can a channel on a C4-DIN-8DIM-E be set to ON/OFF and be used in place of a channel on the C4 Relay Module (C4-DIN-8REL-E1)?  If so, please advise on the Composer Pro settings so my dealer can mate the channel controlling the load on the C4-DIN-8TV-E and the C4-DIN-8DIM-E.  Thank you

Edited January 31 by BDavisNJ
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[RyanE]

4 hours ago, BDavisNJ said:

@RyanE  Our question, please: can a channel on a C4-DIN-8DIM-E be set to ON/OFF and be used in place of a channel on the C4 Relay Module (C4-DIN-8REL-E1)?  If so, please advise on the Composer Pro settings so my dealer can mate the channel controlling the load on the C4-DIN-8TV-E and the C4-DIN-8DIM-E.  Thank you

Unfortunately, I don't know anything about the dimming modules, and even less about 0-10V control.

Sorry.

RyanE

[BDavisNJ]

understood, thank you

[Matt Lowe]

9 hours ago, BDavisNJ said:

@RyanE  I also have a dimming question, please, and would be appreciative of your thoughts: When using a C4-DIN-8TV-E to control 0-10V lighting, the C4 technical documents outline two options to consider when separate on/off control is required.  The first is a C4 Relay Module (C4-DIN-8REL-E1) and the second is external relays.  This makes sense and our experience in using external relays is excellent.  Our question, please: can a channel on a C4-DIN-8DIM-E be set to ON/OFF and be used in place of a channel on the C4 Relay Module (C4-DIN-8REL-E1)?  If so, please advise on the Composer Pro settings so my dealer can mate the channel controlling the load on the C4-DIN-8TV-E and the C4-DIN-8DIM-E.  Thank you

I believe the driver is set up to just use the relay module. but through some programming, you could use the dimmer I'm sure. 

[Matt Lowe]

On 1/30/2024 at 12:30 PM, Amal said:

When I connected light driver which have only function as on and off(not dimming) is connected to Adaptive phase dimmer , is it work as ON and Off  in keypad.

We already connected all type of lights to our dimmer but the problem was only want to dimm 2 type of light ( chandelier and wall light) and all other lights  are not dimmer driver so my question  is it work as ON and OFF through adaptive phase dimmer?

can you send a screen shot of what you are looking at?

 

[Cyknight]

Pretty sure you shouldn't be using a DIMMER to control the line power to a 0-10v device.....

[RyanE]

23 minutes ago, Cyknight said:

Pretty sure you shouldn't be using a DIMMER to control the line power to a 0-10v device.....

I don't think that's exactly what they're proposing, but I couldn't figure out enough to make an intelligent comment on the post... 

I think it's something like using the 0-10, but getting 'full off' by using the dimmer instead of a switch.

In any case, probably not something to do.

RyanE

[Shoe]

Maybe this driver can help.

https://drivercentral.io/platforms/control4-drivers/dimmer-to-10-relays/

[RAV]

11 hours ago, Shoe said:

Maybe this driver can help.

https://drivercentral.io/platforms/control4-drivers/dimmer-to-10-relays/

Nope that's something else. (Trick a 0-10v dimmer controlled ceiling fan to show in Comfort rather than Lights)

[RAV]

15 hours ago, RyanE said:

I don't think that's exactly what they're proposing, but I couldn't figure out enough to make an intelligent comment on the post... 

I think it's something like using the 0-10, but getting 'full off' by using the dimmer instead of a switch.

In any case, probably not something to do.

RyanE

BDavisNJ is asking....

Since a Dimmer8 can have a load set to be non-dimmable/switched, can he use that setting for the 'relay' portion of a 0-10v circuit rather than specing in Relay8?

For instance, lets say you have two 0-10v circuits in a project and you've spec'd a 0-10v module to handle them, and you've got two spare Dimmer8 circuits leftover in the project, could you use those rather than add the cost of a Relay8 for the two needed 0-10v relays.

[Cyknight]

3 hours ago, RAV said:

BDavisNJ is asking....

Since a Dimmer8 can have a load set to be non-dimmable/switched, can he use that setting for the 'relay' portion of a 0-10v circuit rather than specing in Relay8?

For instance, lets say you have two 0-10v circuits in a project and you've spec'd a 0-10v module to handle them, and you've got two spare Dimmer8 circuits leftover in the project, could you use those rather than add the cost of a Relay8 for the two needed 0-10v relays.

Yes the question is understood, the answer still is that even with a non-dimmable load attached, the dimmer module (output) is still NOT a switch and shouldn't be used for connections that should not be on a dimmere (vs a load that you don't WANT to dim or an LED that isn't dimmable)

[BDavisNJ]

@Cyknight @RAV  Thank you both for your responses.  From the above discussion, @Cyknight asserts that setting a C4-DIN-8DIM-E channel to Off/ON is not the functional equivalent of a channel on a C4-DIN-8REL-E1.  And that the Off/ On setting is more of an accommodation for dimmable lights that the user chooses not to dim or a LED that is not dimmable. 

The question remains: is a 0-10v LED simply a LED that is not dimmable?

I would never think of putting a high amp motor on a C4-DIN-8DIM-E; 100w of lighting is within specification.

@Matt Lowe I used your suggestion.  The line voltage is wired to a panalized dimmer and the binding hidden.  The 0-10v binding is visible.  Programming turns on the hidden light when the relay on the C4-DIN-8TV-E activates.

[RAV]

BDavisNJ,

I suspect that because the power handling is quite low when the Dim8 has a channel set as a 'non-dimmable load', it's ignored for use that way to avoid people putting any significant load on it.
The Dim8 for a motor is only 1/8 HP vs 1 HP for a Relay8 for example.