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Lutron and Vantage are not a home automation systems. They are comfort control brands. They will always be a partner, not a competitor to whatever list of lux brands we make. Josh wants to be the premium software that handles them and besides hardware processors and I/O IR control, a sleek system specific smart remote other brands seem to have difficulty with is the only other hardware piece they need. They will continue to build business on integration with only few critical but really well made hardware skus. 

sounds like the implementation may have had issues like you mentioned which is the case I had with C4 with prior 2 integrators before the current one that has worked to fix many control4 issues over last 4.5 years.  The voice portion has greatly improved since we originally installed Micros in 2020.  In our case we use voice commands on average 50-75 times per day based on my logs. Based upon a spot check of the data in my Portal we have about a 90-95% first time quality in the microphone on the device picking up the request whether it be scene triggering, discrete single device commands, compound device commands, and GPT style voice commands.  I think Josh's foray into more control is a natural evolution and a means to grow revenue beyond a single product/service offering like any business in this era and even a push by any VC's that are funding the capital investments.  The UI experience has been much better based upon myself, wife, kids, and guests so the consensus wins here! 

Without question, the network chipset in the Micros is finicky (versus flakey).  I tell my clients to turn off the "wake Beep" on each Micro as it seems to work 100x better in catching the commands.  Once that's done, I never have issue with Josh understanding a command, nor have I gotten negative feedback regarding not understanding (with the "wake beep" set to off in each micro).  It's not listening for that split second and sometimes causes issues with the command.

Without question, the network chipset in the Micros is finicky (versus flakey).  I tell my clients to turn off the "wake Beep" on each Micro as it seems to work 100x better in catching the commands.  Once that's done, I never have issue with Josh understanding a command, nor have I gotten negative feedback regarding not understanding (with the "wake beep" set to off in each micro).  It's not listening for that split second and sometimes causes issues with the command.

Without question, the network chipset in the Micros is finicky (versus flakey).  I tell my clients to turn off the "wake Beep" on each Micro as it seems to work 100x better in catching the commands.  Once that's done, I never have issue with Josh understanding a command, nor have I gotten negative feedback regarding not understanding (with the "wake beep" set to off in each micro).  It's not listening for that split second and sometimes causes issues with the command.

Yeah think the inside baseball is a good analogy.  Assume that'll get worked out since nearly all other major control platforms (Crestron, Lutron, ELAN) in addition to point solutions (Tidal, Nest, Google, Sonos, etc) are supported on that remote control platform as was just mentioned.  I don't see C4 putting development cost into voice as by many (not myself personally) as a niche market and just leverage the Alexa, Google, and Josh plaforms instead.  
I know there will be different perspectives but glad that the touchscreen does not have a far-field microphone for my specific use case.  I already have Nano and Micro devices in every zone of the home and just want to add a few touchscreens for a few spots for guest to have easy access for scenes they would not know otherwise when visiting (i.e. Great Room, Kitchen, etc.).  If they decided in a V2 to add a far field microphone with the option to disable to far-field microphone I'd be good with that similar to disabling the mic on the current hardware.
Pre-ordered the Cinema remote last week with anticipated delivery in early March to see how that goes.  Have 3 of the current models in guest rooms and based upon visitors in those rooms they loved them since they are phone app folks with their devices back at their homes.  Having the ability to have scenes in a visual format I can do without needing a dealer or effort of Composer style HE work is great and easy to swap and test within seconds.  Will see if battery life is better compared to Halo as definitely disappointed with some of the lack of functionality in Halo without doing button programming that I can already do on the Josh/Ava remote (locks, shades, fireplaces, heaters) from day 1 of receiving unit.
Biggest differentiator for our case is the UI is an order of magnitude better and the OTA updates both are detailed and frequent.  Along with that the end user customer like myself can go to a Medium Blog by the company or to their YouTube channel and review the changes and updates made. In the case of C4 I have to rely on a forum where the release notes are not published often or a change happens (like the photo icons in the iOS) with no accompanied detailed blog, video or detailed information on what updated and why.  That's a gripe but a reason for only using C4 now as a 'backbone/back office' element and not the front end UI we used to use it for those in the household and visitors.

I am a Josh dealer and I am a huge advocate for Josh.ai integration with Control4.  It's wildly powerful and until you live with it, you can't imagine what it brings to your home.  I do agree 1,000,000% the touchscreen mic situation is a HUGE miss.  I can't tell you the business it would have generated, let alone the fact that I would be installing them in my own home the day they start shipping.

Shelly integration is great (but for us with Control4, we already have it)
UI changes are very nice, but it was never really bad.
The recurring revenue model isn't a huge burden at $60/mo up to 500 devices controlled.  I would pay more for as much as we use it.  The hardware is a barrier to entry for some, but once you sink that cost, you sort of forget about it lol!
 

Block them out of spite?  What good would it do?  The only path to blocking them would be if Control4 has a voice product up their sleeve.  I must admit that during litigation, releasing touchsceens and more remotes seems a big effU.

I'm likely jumping on the Josh.ai train and integrating. I get the conflict and some of it is inside baseball. The remotes are not their hardware and simply run their apps. I realize that is splitting hairs, but it's just an android stick. I don't think C4 should have sued before trying to come up with a solution that was mutually beneficial. C4 could build a Josh.ai voice system if they wanted, but given their finances and staffing I'm not sure it's recommended. I love competition and hope we see some, but lawsuits seem excessive. Sue AVA and not Josh.ai. Somehow I'm doubting there was any agreement on what form factor the Josh.ai app was limited to run on when integrating into C4. Maybe I'm wrong.
I'd like to hold one of the AVA cin remotes. I feel the new clicky glass wheel is too low on the device to balance well based on seeing it, but not touching it.
The software UI changes didn't wow all that much.
The integrations with things like Shelly has potential, but I feel like this is preparing them for the market between Home Assistant and C4.
I think the new screen missed by not having a 4 mic farfield always on mic. If you have proximity and nano like mic at the screen location you can have context aware screens that change on you before you even touch. Looks nice. Hope it can be wifi and line powered vs POE.

@Time2Jet can hook you up

Thanks @Topfox i appropriate the reply and looping me in with Time2jet 

+1 for Time2Jet…long time community member, very knowledgeable and a good guy!


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Great dealer and person. Don’t hesitate to reach out to her. Fellow dealer that has been awesome to work with over the years. Very honest and very fair.


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It can yes, but as @RAV more or less indicated, how to wire it can be more complex than a normal relay as a T-Stat is assumed to be powered from the same furnace providing the power to go across the relay of R - W (or R - Y for cool).
So either an isolation unit is needed if that relay isn't the same 24vAC (rare enough) - OR only power the T-Stat and use a controlled relay for control plus programming.
I strongly suggest using an isolation unit as it maintaince the T-Stat's ability to fully function as a stand alone device. I've only in rare occasions done it via a controlled relay and then only for secondary heating control, not a house/building's main heat.
 
Basic way of isolation using standard relays (this would still fully leave the t-stat working as a stand-alone item is system were down) as was detailed with the original t-stat (and still works though the C/TS is now just a C connection):
 

Note that the relays above are standard 24VAC coil relays - should be able to source them for $5 or less a piece...

I for one don’t play around with my stats.  I set a schedule and that’s the way it stays.  But yes, using any other interface with the stat works perfectly fine.
I also have mini splits at home for AC in the summer, so when I shut down my boiler for the season, the stats can be used for temp in the rooms, even though they are set to off.
And because there isn’t an official Mr. Cool driver, I use an http driver to send commands to the mini splits, if needed.

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Man, he just not run a business... no office365, no sales force, no g suite.... 

I have an AVPro Edge Axion 4, which is a 4K 60hz matrix with audio downmixing built in.  Great matrix, client upgraded to a larger one.  I don't have the receivers but I can order you 4 of those.  Can ship to Canada.
PM me if interested.

It did ducking back in 2020 when I only had Micros and the Core and Nano did not come out.  Now have added Cores & Nano's in addition to C4 system and does the ducking as shown in videos showing the functionality.  I use the announcements for a few scenarios:
Everyday use - Items on scheduled time like dinner and my wife who runs an in-home childcare in casita to announce specific activities that are also tailored to a time/day and announces activities, turns the lights on, opens shades, plays kids song and puts TV on mute.  Same for dinner in terms of specific time/day, announced, and carries out actions on the C4 devices (lights, music) and shades (Lutron) Events - Family in town - use the whole home announcement function in Josh to say 'we're headed out' or 'time to eat' that plays thru the Core and then thru the Triad matrix to all audio zones to announce Probably doesn't answer your question fully.  I eliminated all C4 scenes about 18 months ago and just use C4 for non-scene actions and a few remotes.

I have a bunch of Bullet Train 5 meter HDMI cables (new in bag), very nice cables that were given to me by AVPro Edge.  They are taking up space in my office and I am willing to let them go for next to nothing...PM me if interested.
They are these-
https://www.ebay.com/itm/266254193908?hash=item3dfdfc94f4:g:b6AAAOSw4tpkXMDy&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4EkjMN7n2R7HyTFnJDid%2BVUFsyEq3XoXHb42L9NGAtnQcg2RNg8soDkrrd%2BmzqIl26oG%2BcwrI5U%2B63ArwF5SmBmw71D6z3dLmcn0kdlJjJRQuD2M%2FV8G2smlXD9pwYZQZzsCZSH2eh3d%2FQT26owe9IZUpIyAKpcRolWT5qhPeU8J%2FXFnbqlhUaI%2FGaIPmi86dJ1lmfpnvpQf2vWSxCuXlY2LVXYj4rNZd39LrerF47do1BDkLbmz8tCEpzepogQw0UZStVXpmTIgvn%2Bi9vwr1RUH%2BJYIue8g9WFWM8PPN5sm|tkp%3ABFBMqruPgadj

Hopefully the additional cost will help to cover licensing fees that Control4 may need to pay for things like future Apple Music/Spotify/etc integration!