Cyknight Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 Yup I did say end of sale soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leighm0 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 On 10/15/2022 at 12:33 PM, Cyknight said: Doubtful but not impossible of course. MAYBE in the sense that it can't be main controller, but I would expect them to last for at least 2-4 more years. End of sale, I expect soon (they aren't yet!) This notice is on our dealer portal (see image below), along with that End of Sale for the EA5 that was mentioned (cannot be ordered at all anymore, no stock etc). I assume once stock is done, they will be marked end of sale. And Control4/Snap will only keep enough inventory for the 2 year RMA period.. Andrew luecke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 12 hours ago, Leighm0 said: This notice is on our dealer portal (see image below), along with that End of Sale for the EA5 that was mentioned (cannot be ordered at all anymore, no stock etc). I assume once stock is done, they will be marked end of sale. And Control4/Snap will only keep enough inventory for the 2 year RMA period.. Sigh I didn't say EA5 I said the EA line - and as there is still stock, not all models are EoS, but like I said I expect them to be soon..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrib Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 So... I came here for another reason but stumbled onto this thread. I have a very early HC-800. I think my first one was RMA'ed because the HDMI port failed or wasn't working? We're talking back in late 2011/2012. Anyhoo... I'm on OS3.2x and things are fine. Have a EA1 too. But I see the Core 1/3/5 are out and just wondering if a decade long controller is in need of retirement as it seems things are evolving quickly on the C4 side. I don't have a huge project, not a ton going on. But I'll add something from time to time. Seems like the Core 3 can do ZWave, which if I'm inferring correctly opened up a lot more on what we can connect into C4 natively? One question -- My HC800 has a Composer Home Edition license tied to it. No way to transfer it to a new controller? Any thoughts there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopedogg88 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Yes the CORE series has z-wave built-in and allows for much better z-wave integration. Your Composer license is tied to your Control4 account, not your controller, so you have it regardless of if you upgrade the controller. msgreenf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 +1 on much better zwave! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 To be clear, as of 3.3.1 there is a lot more that can be added via ZWave, but it REQUIRES a Core controller (and their built in antennae/chip) to use these 'universal' zwave drivers msgreenf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therockhr Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Scrib said: So... I came here for another reason but stumbled onto this thread. I have a very early HC-800. I think my first one was RMA'ed because the HDMI port failed or wasn't working? We're talking back in late 2011/2012. Anyhoo... I'm on OS3.2x and things are fine. Have a EA1 too. But I see the Core 1/3/5 are out and just wondering if a decade long controller is in need of retirement as it seems things are evolving quickly on the C4 side. I don't have a huge project, not a ton going on. But I'll add something from time to time. Seems like the Core 3 can do ZWave, which if I'm inferring correctly opened up a lot more on what we can connect into C4 natively? One question -- My HC800 has a Composer Home Edition license tied to it. No way to transfer it to a new controller? Any thoughts there? is the hc800 or ea1 your main controller? if you are wanting to upgrade to the latest version you could move your project over to the ea1 as the main controller but you would have to find other options if you are using hc800 for the audio or IO. finding a replacement for the hc800 IO is easy (IO extender, global cache, z2io, etc) but the audio would take some planning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrib Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 I just simplified the whole thing and decided to order a Core 3. I'll try and find a good home for the HC800 and EA1. Get 1U of space back in the rack! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew luecke Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 10 hours ago, Scrib said: I just simplified the whole thing and decided to order a Core 3. I'll try and find a good home for the HC800 and EA1. Get 1U of space back in the rack! Great decision. The core series is awesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therockhr Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 14 hours ago, Scrib said: I just simplified the whole thing and decided to order a Core 3. I'll try and find a good home for the HC800 and EA1. Get 1U of space back in the rack! Curious why you went with a core 3 over a core 1? Number of audio zones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrib Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 35 minutes ago, therockhr said: Curious why you went with a core 3 over a core 1? Number of audio zones? Not really. I'm pretty light when it comes to audio zones. For me it was ZWave and I could put it in a rack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therockhr Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Scrib said: Not really. I'm pretty light when it comes to audio zones. For me it was ZWave and I could put it in a rack. Gotcha. You can put a core1 in a rack as well but it doesn’t have zwave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrib Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, therockhr said: Gotcha. You can put a core1 in a rack as well but it doesn’t have zwave. I saw there were options out there. But I figured getting a bit more flexibility with the 3 and ZWave was the way to go. I think... South Africa C4 user 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reednatron Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 The Core controllers have a HDMI handshake issue with most AVRs. My Core 1 will not handshake after the first handshake unless the controller is rebooted. This is persistent, even after changing the output resolution manually. My Core is connected to a Lyngdorf MP60, but a friend of mine has the same issue with a lower end mass market receiver, so i'd say the issue covers the spectrum of most installs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 On 10/25/2022 at 7:01 AM, Reednatron said: My Core is connected to a Lyngdorf MP60, but a friend of mine has the same issue with a lower end mass market receiver, so i'd say the issue covers the spectrum of most installs. Heh, it happens in two locations so it's got to happen everywhere on all reeivers, and all Cores? That's quite the leap. AFAIK -and that's because it's been in fact reported- the Core1 is the only one having an issue, and while it's on multiple brands and models, it's not on ALL surround receivers. May be chip/board related. But yes there's a bug there that's being looked at to the best of my knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reednatron Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Heh, it happens in two locations so it's got to happen everywhere on all reeivers, and all Cores? That's quite the leap. AFAIK -and that's because it's been in fact reported- the Core1 is the only one having an issue, and while it's on multiple brands and models, it's not on ALL surround receivers. May be chip/board related. But yes there's a bug there that's being looked at to the best of my knowledge.Not just a Core1Also happening on a Core3Requires a replacement unit to be sent out. A Lyngdorf processor and a big box Yamaha receiver are pretty far apart in the spectrum, so I seriously doubt that everything in between works perfectly. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/8/2022 at 11:41 AM, Reednatron said: Lyngdorf processor and a big box Yamaha receiver are pretty far apart in the spectrum Sure, yet it's hardly far-fetched that they use the same HDMI chip on their respective boards - but Onkyo or Sony may use another one. Like I said - there IS a known bug that's being looked at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrib Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 On 10/25/2022 at 8:01 AM, Reednatron said: The Core controllers have a HDMI handshake issue with most AVRs. My Core 1 will not handshake after the first handshake unless the controller is rebooted. This is persistent, even after changing the output resolution manually. My Core is connected to a Lyngdorf MP60, but a friend of mine has the same issue with a lower end mass market receiver, so i'd say the issue covers the spectrum of most installs. And when you say handshake, you mean the UI coming up on the TV? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reednatron Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 And when you say handshake, you mean the UI coming up on the TV?Yes, no audio/videoSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therockhr Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Control4 would save a lot of time and effort if they would just get rid of the on screen display. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 hour ago, therockhr said: Control4 would save a lot of time and effort if they would just get rid of the on screen display. Would save a lot of effort if we just closed up shop. Why do anything? There is still a good sized subset of customers that use the On Screen. It's certainly a lot of work, but so is anything useful. RyanE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therockhr Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 30 minutes ago, RyanE said: Would save a lot of effort if we just closed up shop. Why do anything? There is still a good sized subset of customers that use the On Screen. It's certainly a lot of work, but so is anything useful. RyanE There are a good sized subset of customers still using a HC800 (probably more than use the OSD) but that didnt stop Control4 from EOLing it The OSD just seems redundant in the age of smartphones and tablets. Ive heard the arguments for it but in every situation a device nearby like a smartphone, tablet or Control4 touchscreen would be just as good or not better. Dealers would probably sell a few more mobile tablets if they got rid of it. It just doesnt seem worth the effort. Maybe its not that big a deal and the code base for the tablets is similar and its more of just a hardware thing in the controller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 2 hours ago, therockhr said: The OSD just seems redundant in the age of smartphones and tablets. Ive heard the arguments for it but in every situation a device nearby like a smartphone, tablet or Control4 touchscreen would be just as good or not better. Dealers would probably sell a few more mobile tablets if they got rid of it. That's certainly a valid opinion, an it's something Control4's Product Management takes into account when designing new hardware. At this point in time, they've decided it's worth it. You obviously can either agree or disagree with their assessment, but it's of course, their call. RyanE therockhr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRT Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 4 hours ago, RyanE said: Would save a lot of effort if we just closed up shop. Why do anything? There is still a good sized subset of customers that use the On Screen. It's certainly a lot of work, but so is anything useful. RyanE Are the metrics you are using for the on screen projects that have it bound, or actual usage of the on screen in systems? I've done many take over jobs were the previous dealer sold 250's and ea1s for every TV and the client never once used it (didn't quite understand at the time if they would or what they were buying). I personally haven't used it as part of a design since the days when you could only schedule a thermostat from the OSD or a C4 Touchscreen. therockhr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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