RyanE

I won't elaborate further on this topic, and don't know where that image came from, but the UI shown on the remotes is absolutely *not* a picture of the UI on the remote.
I do know exactly where that came from... It's an early mock-up of a 'now playing' screen (including the cover art media that's shown on the mock-ups).
Although the speculation is fun to read. 
RyanE

Surprisingly, they have medium brown Wood Grain both in the US and Switzerland, as well as down under...

RyanE

I won't elaborate further on this topic, and don't know where that image came from, but the UI shown on the remotes is absolutely *not* a picture of the UI on the remote.
I do know exactly where that came from... It's an early mock-up of a 'now playing' screen (including the cover art media that's shown on the mock-ups).
Although the speculation is fun to read. 
RyanE

I won't elaborate further on this topic, and don't know where that image came from, but the UI shown on the remotes is absolutely *not* a picture of the UI on the remote.
I do know exactly where that came from... It's an early mock-up of a 'now playing' screen (including the cover art media that's shown on the mock-ups).
Although the speculation is fun to read. 
RyanE

I’ve just installed my second CA-10 , phenomenol hardware , a previous navigator refresh of about 12 mins for example is less than a minute. I have some extremely large projects ( if you call 14-20 EA’s that ) even when using composer the wait time is much more pleasant. 

OK, so I have had my CA10 installed for a couple of days now and am loving it.  Whether it has fixed my original underlying problems, I am not yet sure as they were intermittent and I have a couple of drivers that my dealer still needs to get up and running on the CA10 (as the keys need to be linked to the new controller).  I should know whether my problem has been solved in a week or so.
In terms of performance, my observations so far are:
1. Everything definitely feels much snappier. Including motion sensors, backlight changes on keypads, Navigation on a T3, Light responses, LED feedback on light switches etc. (note I have made no Zigbee changes as yet although I may move some Zigbee functionality from an HC800 to an EA5 as I now have an EA5 that does absolutely nothing except act as an OSD for my main theatre and run the third and fourth digital audio path)...
2. Navigator refresh takes around 30 seconds as opposed to 5 minutes previously.
3. I can now open my iOS App during Navigator refresh (it used to fail to connect while all my T3s were refreshing).  The navigator refresh on the iOS app is now seconds - used to also be close to 30 seconds.
4. Director reboot / project loading is taking under a minute (compared to 5 minutes previously).
5. Project back up is taking a few minutes compared to 10 or 15 minutes (and often timing out) previously.  Note: I have not actually timed these so the more accurate comment, is that this has changed from a heck of a long time to a reasonably acceptable time. My project is large, and I back up artwork and screensaver photos also.
6. Native Alexa control seems much faster which surprised me as I have always blamed the speed on internet connectivity between South Africa and the states...
There was a lot of random stuff happening in my project in the last month. I genuinely think that at 650 / 700 devices / drivers I was at the edge of what an EA5 could handle.  So far I have seen none of this on the CA10 but as mentioned above, I am withholding judgement on this item for a week or so.
So far the CA10 is getting a big thumbs ups from me for big projects... Only time will tell how good the redundancy is.
I had a very (as in 30 seconds or less) brief look at the programming one can do against the CA10 and I see that one can program against a fault but I did not see a string variable that tells one what the most recent fault or log is... I may just have missed it.  That would be a lot more useful than programming against various fault variables to determine what the status of the controller is for an e-mail notification.
As a complete aside, my system defaults to one of my HC800s for the first 2 digital audio paths and then to my EA5 and then to one of the other controllers. Is there any way to change the order as I assume using the EA5 for digital audio would be the better option than the HC800?
 

You give apple way too much credit. They are the ones that break things and own the API. Control4 can only leverage apis that apple makes available. You can blame control4 but that doesn't mean you are right.

Not to mention that it depends on what you're connecting to. A lot of devices actually require straight through connection (in other words the device connections already flip rx and tx, so the CABLE needs to NOT cross).
 

Correct, no Zigbee hardware on the CA-10.
I can't speak to "worth the price", that is highly dependent on the individual homeowner, but I installed a CA-10 after CEDIA, and the project at my mid-sized house (15 audio zones, 12 touchpanels, lots of custom Lua drivers, etc.) runs noticeably faster.
The biggest improvement (for me) is that restarting Director happens almost instantaneously.  A few seconds, Director is back up.  During development, it's advantageous to restart Director often to get a 'full reload' for driver testing purposes, etc.  The EA-5 would take 20-30 seconds to be back and responsive.  I'm sure your mileage could vary on this test, depending on your project size.
The second biggest improvement is that the CA-10 is fast enough that my T3 touchpanels are very rarely now spinning waiting to update after a refresh navigators, etc.  On the EA-5, when you would refresh navigators and/or reboot the system, T3 touchpanels would all ask for the project at the same time, and it would slow everything down until they finished.  It didn't happen often, since I didn't really need the restart except for development purposes, but when it happened, it was painful.
The third biggest improvement is the overall latency of the system has decreased.  Things just seem snappier, including Room changes / MSP AV screens, etc.
I don't use the On Screen provided by the EA-5 very much, but I'd expect it to be faster as well, since the EA doesn't need to "run the project".
Overall, I'm impressed!  Of course, take it with a grain of salt, as I'm an employee, and of course, get an employee discount...
RyanE

Not necessarily...
On EA-series controllers, you can dynamically change the null modem setting on the 3.5" serial ports.
Once the serial port is connected (bound) in ComposerPro, the option to change them to null modem is enabled on the Properties page of the controller driver.
RyanE

Correct, no Zigbee hardware on the CA-10.
I can't speak to "worth the price", that is highly dependent on the individual homeowner, but I installed a CA-10 after CEDIA, and the project at my mid-sized house (15 audio zones, 12 touchpanels, lots of custom Lua drivers, etc.) runs noticeably faster.
The biggest improvement (for me) is that restarting Director happens almost instantaneously.  A few seconds, Director is back up.  During development, it's advantageous to restart Director often to get a 'full reload' for driver testing purposes, etc.  The EA-5 would take 20-30 seconds to be back and responsive.  I'm sure your mileage could vary on this test, depending on your project size.
The second biggest improvement is that the CA-10 is fast enough that my T3 touchpanels are very rarely now spinning waiting to update after a refresh navigators, etc.  On the EA-5, when you would refresh navigators and/or reboot the system, T3 touchpanels would all ask for the project at the same time, and it would slow everything down until they finished.  It didn't happen often, since I didn't really need the restart except for development purposes, but when it happened, it was painful.
The third biggest improvement is the overall latency of the system has decreased.  Things just seem snappier, including Room changes / MSP AV screens, etc.
I don't use the On Screen provided by the EA-5 very much, but I'd expect it to be faster as well, since the EA doesn't need to "run the project".
Overall, I'm impressed!  Of course, take it with a grain of salt, as I'm an employee, and of course, get an employee discount...
RyanE

Correct, no Zigbee hardware on the CA-10.
I can't speak to "worth the price", that is highly dependent on the individual homeowner, but I installed a CA-10 after CEDIA, and the project at my mid-sized house (15 audio zones, 12 touchpanels, lots of custom Lua drivers, etc.) runs noticeably faster.
The biggest improvement (for me) is that restarting Director happens almost instantaneously.  A few seconds, Director is back up.  During development, it's advantageous to restart Director often to get a 'full reload' for driver testing purposes, etc.  The EA-5 would take 20-30 seconds to be back and responsive.  I'm sure your mileage could vary on this test, depending on your project size.
The second biggest improvement is that the CA-10 is fast enough that my T3 touchpanels are very rarely now spinning waiting to update after a refresh navigators, etc.  On the EA-5, when you would refresh navigators and/or reboot the system, T3 touchpanels would all ask for the project at the same time, and it would slow everything down until they finished.  It didn't happen often, since I didn't really need the restart except for development purposes, but when it happened, it was painful.
The third biggest improvement is the overall latency of the system has decreased.  Things just seem snappier, including Room changes / MSP AV screens, etc.
I don't use the On Screen provided by the EA-5 very much, but I'd expect it to be faster as well, since the EA doesn't need to "run the project".
Overall, I'm impressed!  Of course, take it with a grain of salt, as I'm an employee, and of course, get an employee discount...
RyanE

Correct, no Zigbee hardware on the CA-10.
I can't speak to "worth the price", that is highly dependent on the individual homeowner, but I installed a CA-10 after CEDIA, and the project at my mid-sized house (15 audio zones, 12 touchpanels, lots of custom Lua drivers, etc.) runs noticeably faster.
The biggest improvement (for me) is that restarting Director happens almost instantaneously.  A few seconds, Director is back up.  During development, it's advantageous to restart Director often to get a 'full reload' for driver testing purposes, etc.  The EA-5 would take 20-30 seconds to be back and responsive.  I'm sure your mileage could vary on this test, depending on your project size.
The second biggest improvement is that the CA-10 is fast enough that my T3 touchpanels are very rarely now spinning waiting to update after a refresh navigators, etc.  On the EA-5, when you would refresh navigators and/or reboot the system, T3 touchpanels would all ask for the project at the same time, and it would slow everything down until they finished.  It didn't happen often, since I didn't really need the restart except for development purposes, but when it happened, it was painful.
The third biggest improvement is the overall latency of the system has decreased.  Things just seem snappier, including Room changes / MSP AV screens, etc.
I don't use the On Screen provided by the EA-5 very much, but I'd expect it to be faster as well, since the EA doesn't need to "run the project".
Overall, I'm impressed!  Of course, take it with a grain of salt, as I'm an employee, and of course, get an employee discount...
RyanE

You can buy composer home edition.  It lets you do most of the programming.  You cannot add hardware or move devices.  It’s about 90% functional va the dealer only software
msgreenf is certainly capable though to handle your needs 

4sight, VPN, or don't bother. If you're as much as a novice if you need help with the port forwarding, then you most likely don't know that there is an extremely common password on the equipment that most dealers do not change
If you open this device to the Internet via Port Forward or DMZ, I guarantee it'll get hacked (or be enticing enough for someone to keep hammering away at it).
 

Keep waiting for the perfect time to buy the latest & greatest, and you’ll never have to buy anything.

My guess is the main point of this unit is to handle a larger processor load and provide redundancy. Redundancy being the bigger factor in regards to I/O. There's no way to make the I/O redundant, so that's most likely why it was left off the CA-10. Besides, the projects that are large enough to *require* a CA-10 most likely have plenty of I/O spread out across all devices besides the primary director. Finally, to keep costs down.
These conversations are like deja vu when the HC-1000 was announced. When everyone realized the performance boost the HC-1000 provided, the lack of I/O was completely forgiven and forgotten. Those complaining about no I/O on a CA-10 just don't get the product's purpose.
 

There's no reason to upgrade if what you have is working well for you.  I'm planning on getting a CA-10, because with the number of touchscreens, lighting devices, and Driverworks drivers I have, I think it would make some difference in the responsiveness of my system.
Of course, as an employee, the math is different for my value calculations.
RyanE

Watt happened?
RyanE

It does have a 5 year warranty, which should get you well past the 'first failure' on the bathtub curve.
RyanE

Hope it can extend to hardware release cycles too!

This is something Control4 has been moving towards for some time, and I assume will continue to move forward.
Driverworks drivers, for example, can be released and updated (assuming no new OS release is required for driver functionality) at any time, and with the online database, often are.
RyanE

This is something Control4 has been moving towards for some time, and I assume will continue to move forward.
Driverworks drivers, for example, can be released and updated (assuming no new OS release is required for driver functionality) at any time, and with the online database, often are.
RyanE

This is something Control4 has been moving towards for some time, and I assume will continue to move forward.
Driverworks drivers, for example, can be released and updated (assuming no new OS release is required for driver functionality) at any time, and with the online database, often are.
RyanE

The Lua script needs to be run *within the driver*, not as a command-line on the controller, so this wouldn't do it.
The proper way is to get the driver fixed.
RyanE