Cyknight

Assuming you're a dealer.. That said it shouldn't surprise ANYONE that bothers to check before updating from a one major revision to the next. Heaven forbid you check release notes before updating

Oh but it sure can hurt to try. It hurts when I try to jab a needle through my hand...

8 years old....

Only Control4 would be able to tell you, and they won't as they don't pre-announce Is it likely? Well I'd like to think so, but as to when -or exactly how/in what capacity- that would be is another matter altogether.

Huff and Puff

Funny indeed - considering that seems to be EXACTLY what you're doing. I'm not puffing my chest, I'm letting you know where I get some of my information from. You're a dealer or dealer employee right? If so you should know better than to ask that at all. Whether or not I do, it's not my place to speak of it here. So you're own experience is more valid? And the number of systems you have done or how long are important? Have a look at the top quote snippet. Feel free to puff your chest and feel like you have the better judgement over everyone here, as well as Control4 as a company.

Where are you? Based on what you said yourself, you're limited to your own clientele. And just because you do something a certain way, that doesn't mean other work the SAME way. Or that any one way is better or not. If anything you should be aware that just because you're used to doing something a certain way, doesn't mean it's the right way - your clients more than likely depend on YOU for the most part to tell them what works or doesn't work. As such, to what degree are YOU the one causing the OSD to get such limited use in your area? It's an easy trap to fall into. So even if it were the same for me, that's still a singular point of view on your part, based on a singular market. The numbers don't mean much as such. 100's of systems is still a drop in the bucket, and the fact that it's a single company in a single market actually makes it mean less on a global scale. We install OSD control on over 50% of our jobs, and it's used to some capacity on all of them. And no, that's not a controller per TV. Would a good portion of those be fine without it? Sure. However, just a few examples: I have numerous clients that will NOT be updating right now to OS3 simply because of the loss of things like lighting control, because they are using it daily for that very purpose alone (you know, as opposed to using a magnifying glass on their iPad or T3 screen). I have clients using the OSD to select music across the house, keeping it on the OSD to display the current song, media cover art or the photo screensaver, and the TV they use isn't by default in the room(s) they are using for sound. There's alternative ways to go around that, but they may not want to. I have clients that can use an OSD and a remote, or a custom setup control via keypads or more advanced setups still that wouldn't have a hope of using touchscreens of any type, and no voice isn't an option either... There's those that use OSD to display cameras watching youth in rec rooms, pools or yards to keep an eye out. Pop-up doorstation cameras wherever you're watching TV. Movie selection within Control4 is still easiest on the OSD Even if the first and third example comprise a very small portion of the market and ignoring the rest, would you still think the OSD should just be dropped? I will tell you I sure don't. The above is just based on MY experience. But no, that is not the only line of information I have. I'm in touch with dealers and users from across the world, and I'm not talking about forums and their experiences weigh in as well. More importantly, I've no doubt Control4 has their own information on top of that, and if it the use was as low as you seem to believe there's no way they'd have put the amount of effort in that they have for this new release.

Because, at least for the two you mentioned, they were already limited in their use for some time. And they're more complex than, say, an i/o extender to boot. At some point, items have to be dropped in their support. 'just keeping it on an older firmware' is not as simple as it sounds, you still have to develop against them as you move forward. Note that this is coming from someone who 'lost' 6 touchscreens from his system, plus controllers. Not to mention every last single piece of hardware C4 ever supported - I may not always be happy about it, but I understand the need to stop supporting gear that can't keep up. Trying to maintain them IS a huge deal.

It's more heavily used than you may realize.

Depends on the driver, not the device. If it's the C4 original driver, I'm not sure. If it's a 3rd party driver you're fine.

These suffered heavily from a missed limitation in the chips they used, something that from what I know just couldn't be overcome. With DS2 getting the app, I'm thinking it was time to let these go.

I don't disagree, and hope full control will return at some point, but the focus has been on media and cameras from what I've seen, and creating an OSD that isn't 'just a port' from the T3 screens with somewhat awkward controls instead of touch control. It seems clear to me that a LOT of work went into the OSD so far, more may yet be coming.

I wouldn't bet on it. If there is enough interest, it may make sense to make a new app to accompany 3.0, but that's the issue, the interest is and has been extremely minimal from what I've heard and seen.

You hear a lot of things on these boards that are quite inaccurate.

If I had to guess, the driver was built using the original DSC driver, and that's why it got flagged. As I understand it, Composer checks the source codes for drivers, not any name etc. In other words, drivers aren't blacklisted as such, specific codes and tags are.

Note that Works with Nest is announced to be killed off, can't be sure yet if it will get replaced with works with google assist, or when... C4's nest drivers are all works with nest drivers.

Control4 never really pre-announced, even before they went to the stock market

Assuming your Concord is on a new enough (meaning not a very old) firmware.

Predictable

Probably, or they like would have preferred to do the same as they are doing with the HC800. Oh I'm sure some will yell that it's a money grab, but I sincerely doubt that's true. There's something there preventing it directly (storage capacity for example) or indirectly like the cost of making it work (not just for the initial release but any following updates) -which could well be tremendous- didn't outweigh the inevitable lash-back. I don't claim to know the reasoning as such - but there's ALWAYS people complaining when something gets dropped (including myself I should add).

Exactly WHY would an onscreen nav require 4K?

You realize C4 sold pre-built racks once upon a time right?

Snap's 'partnering' and buyouts have been a mixed bag. Just look at Houselogix and how that basically killed that company. No issues with Snap as such, for their core business, but I wouldn't judge what happens in this scenario based on that at all (Same if it were the other way around mind you, C4 has the same mixed bag of how they handled take-overs). Note that I'm not expecting it to go bad - just not expecting it to go good either, it's going to be a big wait and see. That is arguably the one thing I really don't like at this point - wait and see is not my favorite approach

Oh yes, the goal would be to try and get Snap (or to be exact the company owning Snap) to pay more - not to stop it.