Control4Savant

Well..you can also just use the unifi app for cloud or local device set up. Mostly I just SSH adopt my sites to my self hosted server which is what I know a lot of more advanced Unifi “pros” are doing.

A controller is not required for Unifi gear …. to be clear.

There are a few different ways to go about using Unifi stuff without a cloud key, UDM etc… just for common knowledge. There also used to be a preference for Edge gear since it didnt carry the processing overhead but we have surpassed that issue long ago.

Eh…as much as I love the brand i wouldnt count on it. It has very primitive software.

The only must have is a budget.

Emotiva is VERY specific about the conditions/environment of their products in regard to warranty repair so I would caution using a 3rd party driver. I have seen their preamps have software/processor issues for odd reasons. The costs and efforts for them to make/compete in the AVR/processor space is difficult with all of the different licenses and codecs etc…. I use their amps in almost every home theater instal but I tend to stay away from their processors for some of those reasons.

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Plenty of dealers do not support or use Araknis and will immediately remove it for their preferred networking so again, this is all just specific to how each professional wants to do their project. There is no… use product ‘A’ so that dealers. 2, 3 and 4 all are ok with it as well…. I say this as one of those dealers.

Yes, unless you do not want to/do not know manage your networking you can absolutely use Ubiquiti aps and 3rd party switches.. Do NOT let your dealer force you into an AV network brand twice as expensive that is half the quality just so he can have large profit margins. lol.. $2700 27u rack… Origin “because it works well with the system” has no validity. At the end the day it’s another compatible 3rd party AV brand with high profits that they are a dealer of. Equal profit margins exist and installation costs shouldnt change. Ask for alternative options. If they don’t have that ability the dealer is about profiting as much as possible.

I will say that Terrace models have better picture but I only deal with Sunbrite. I have yet to have any issues and even if I did, I use them exclusively because of Snaps epic service department. Id rather be able to talk directly to the manufacturer who also builds half of the other products being used in an inclusive system than a big electronics brands like Samsung. Seura also has the only 85”.

*Backlight… backlight to the max. Brightness adjusts the black level depths. Contrast adjusts the variation between black and whites.

Hisense U8H and TCL 6 series mini LEDs have 1000+ nit peak brightness. I have a TCL 75” R646 as my main viewing TV in a heavy lit room and it does fantastic. I also has OLED quality at night for just over $1k…

I suggest you do Lutron. They have a variety of lines and budgets including panelized. You can even mix them seamlessly if you have a central system like Control4. It keeps you fully compatible but agnostic to whatever central home system you choose to ever have. You can use those proprietary C4 keypads for scene and other system controls.

This conversation needs a budget, speaker and zone info. Blindly suggesting models without any of that is really pointless.

Intercom capabilities would be cool.

What are you debunking? I am arguing FOR Dante OR AVB and against the use of traditional matrix in large scale or shared zone applications. The differences and need of use are certainly not opinion as you just stated. AVB exists more in “residential” product. Particularly because of the royalties as you mentioned, it’s also licensed based so the need for specific hardware is only based on that. It’s also a network standard so yes i would expect networking brands to be involved linking audio gear together. Both require certain parts. Pro losses audio has a bigger need, been around for longer and Dante is everywhere in that regard. You can obviously use those 3rd party “Pro AV” products in a residential install, that wasnt my point. Im not sure of yours… I didnt know that BluStream added Dante as I dont use the product so thats a good nugget of info. Maybe thats where the points got crossed .. Neither are native in Control4 and that IMO is no longer acceptable when you talk about the cost of these systems and alternative systems do. Savant has 16ch POE powered AVB input and output matrix’s that are the size of 2 ea1s stacked. All of that is scalable, all independent of physical audio jumpers. To keep the focus on point, this is the stuff I WANT Snap to come out with. This is never about dragging C4 through the mud.

This is still not a scalable lossless low latency solution unfortunately. When you have that many zones it’s almost guaranteed to be needed.

AVB is more prominent in the resi. market than Dante. Another reason I moved on from C4…

No worries. I love putting in JVC but they are a giant pain. Like a British sports car…

You need to issue a few “power off” commands for the projector spaced by a few seconds inside of the zone “room off” command prompt. The command is being ignored while the EDID is disconnecting, it’s a notorious problem with projectors and JVC especially.

Your iPad has Siri functionality. There’s nothing additional happening on the C4 end.

Yeah it was a bit of sarcasm. I sell my smart remotes at cost because I think it’s absurd to pay $500+ for what is essentially IMO a TV clicker to my clients. Control4 has a large beta program and dealer base and Snap is pretty much the leader of our industry in the resi. market. Part of my purpose for being on this site is debunk and filter the BS between pros and end users. I also no longer sell Control4 with new projects and use other solutions regardless of budget because of my own woes after 15 years. With that said…what do you expect dealers to do in this case? We dont control the releases and can only give back as much feedback as we can. Brands across the board constantly do things dealers specially ask them not to do. We have clients getting new product release info, clients desperate for updated products. It’s unrealistic for many pros to just switch to a different automation system on the fly just as it is for an end user. I can understand being frustrated because of the cost and if you have a new system and this is the only option, that would be a bad design on the dealers part since all new tech releases are subject to problems in the open environments. I assume for the most part people still have their original remotes to still use in the meantime while updates are hopefully soon made.

Would people here sacrifice the touch screen and still be pleased?

Im not sure who you think is worked up? I answered a question, stated reasons and facts.