wappinghigh Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 If home networking is going to be taken seriously.. (and lets face it: this is becoming the entire backbone of home automation..) Anyway, if the networking industry is going to make any serious headwinds into the domestic environment, they just gotta cut the NOISE of their products.. Switches, routers, HDD storage units, NAS drives, server fans... Seriously... Enough ALREADY! Recent purchase: a 24 port POE midpoint injector. Totally unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWRobinson Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I guess that is why everything is in back closets, both home and business. I agree though, some of this stuff is loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lippavisual Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 That example is the tradeoffs you decide on when you either want an all-in-one unit or multiple injectors. But seriously though, aren't you building a new home? Why would your equipment closet be anywhere near living space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I agree, but think this is likely not the place where *any* IT / electronics industry people are going to hear about it. RyanE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted November 18, 2014 Author Share Posted November 18, 2014 Hahaha. Sure. Maybe then there is a need for some more rebadged C4 network gear??? Sourced and known to be house friendly. It's an ongoing problem. Large racks = noise= have to put em in confined spaces (maybe noise proofed) ... Or basements = then a heat problem and/or fire risk = need for ventilation = noise problem back again (need to unseal the confined area). We don't all have access to subterranean vaults like most business/bank network engineers. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted November 18, 2014 Author Share Posted November 18, 2014 I guess that is why everything is in back closets, both home and business. I agree though, some of this stuff is loud.Sure. So how do some of you guys with big ranks get around the dissipating heat problem? If you have to put your racks in confined space to rid the noise?Is there a dedicated rack storage solution that seals out the noise (on one hand)... But silently vents the heat (on the other)? Suitable for domestic installs? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I think if C4 started rebranding other people's gear you would complain how it wasn't innovative Sent from my XT1060 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdvr Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 ^that is the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 ^ No it's not. It's a legitimate issue. I've asked for a solution to a serious concern and all you do is take the piss?HA in general and Control4 in particular is network dependant. Our networks are getting bigger. So are the no of POE devices Sales of C4 as a platform flow on from folks doing cameras, switches and AV and the like..What about people who live in flats, in hot parts of the world, or who don't have basements? You guys are soooo North American centric all the time..You just can't fob this issue off and simply say "stick all your networking gear in the closet"...Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdvr Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 We "took a piss" because YOU DO NOT WANT control4 doing network gear. If you want them to be more silent then accept a 4u spacing, that way they can build them with heat sinks. for those that live in flats with no basements and high temps you need to plan for air movement and sound abatement. I am sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qVAMPIREp Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Sure. So how do some of you guys with big ranks get around the dissipating heat problem? If you have to put your racks in confined space to rid the noise?Is there a dedicated rack storage solution that seals out the noise (on one hand)... But silently vents the heat (on the other)? Suitable for domestic installs? Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI put my racks in my mechanical room. It's where they need to be anyway due to all of the wiring. I purposely made the room 2X bigger than a normal mechanical room during my build. It has worked out perfectly, the fans can make as much noise as they want, my boiler and furnace never complain.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 We "took a piss" because YOU DO NOT WANT control4 doing network gear.If you want them to be more silent then accept a 4u spacing, that way they can build them with heat sinks.for those that live in flats with no basements and high temps you need to plan for air movement and sound abatement.I am sorryNo problem. So why can't control4 have web links. How to plan? That sort of thing? Ok my point about rebadging wasn't that C4 should actually *make* the network gear. It was just a suggestion to make life easy for homeowners: More source and rebadge excellent gear (like they did with the leafs) that works in a domestic environment. What's wrong with that suggestion? Or even a list or something would suffice ??So how do you put in a heat sink rack? Cheers. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 You know: "we recommend the following fanless switches, servers, racks and POE injectors for your domestic installs".... That sort of thing...Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokead Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 You know: "we recommend the following fanless switches, servers, racks and POE injectors for your domestic installs".... That sort of thing...Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThey have/had that. Just not available to the consumer. Need to ask your dealerSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 ^ ok. I didn't know that: Thanks for that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I purposely made the room 2X bigger than a normal mechanical room during my build. It has worked out perfectly, the fans can make as much noise as they want, my boiler and furnace never complain.... Proper planning and proper 'renter's disclosure' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 ^ ok. I didn't know that: Thanks for that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yep they've had recommended (and tested!) networking gear lists available for dealers for a long time now. It isn't an 'end-all' list by any means, though it covers the basics. And gets updated regularly.Problem with C4 rebranding gear is that networking models change faster than smartphone models, firmware in some cases even more so. It wouldn't be the first time that a manufacturer's firmware update turned a recommended router into a router that was on the 'red list' (Dlink 655). Sound from fans suck, but there is only so much manufacturers can do within a small frame (and without pricing themsselves out of the market). There are non-fan PoE midspans and even PoE switches available, others have a managed option for the fans. But that means that you need to externally manage the heat.Whereever all this gear gets installed needs to be planned for it's OWN heat dissipation - something that admittedly is often lost on many people, dealers or otherwise (especially the PLANNING part, before you find thre's an issue). In the end you can do it VERY silent indeed if you want - but like everything else it comes at a price (one example is Boragear rack fans that can displace a lot of heat with virtually zero noise - but they cost a ton). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 Thanks for being so constructive. I'd Appreciate any links to the non fan POE midspans, the boragear. And anything on heat sink rack planning. Cheers. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 https://www.truaudio.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=boragear has some good examples, BoraGear only sells via distribution partners (that include a lot of online retailers) so you may have to dig for someone local. Axis has fanless midspans, Cisco has some fanless PoE switches in the IE series. Planet has managed mispans (PoE Hubs) - not sure if current lineup has fanless options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 https://www.truaudio.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=boragear has some good examples, BoraGear only sells via distribution partners (that include a lot of online retailers) so you may have to dig for someone local. Axis has fanless midspans, Cisco has some fanless PoE switches in the IE series. Planet has managed mispans (PoE Hubs) - not sure if current lineup has fanless options.Thanks for that. Unfortunately, there is nowhere I could find in the managed planet midspan to disable or quieten down the fan noise.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin L Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Thanks for that. Unfortunately, there is nowhere I could find in the managed planet midspan to disable or quieten down the fan noise.. The fans can be replaced with quieter fans.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted December 6, 2014 Author Share Posted December 6, 2014 They have/had that. Just not available to the consumer. Need to ask your dealerSent from my iPhone using TapatalkThis should be made available for everyone. Why the secrecy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 The fans can be replaced with quieter fans.... Thanks Problem solved: I have opened up the box and disconnected the fans from my Cisco 48 port managed switch and I am going to leave the lid off and flip it upside down in the rack (let heat dissipate this way) The other device was finally returned for an accepted manufacturer refund I have got another smaller 24 port unmanaged gigabit fanless cisco for inside (courtesy of another forum member) and I am using smaller 8 + 2 port Cisco switches for POE (which are also fanless) All good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c4user3622 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Did it work? I tried disconnecting fans and the switch shut down.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 Did it work? I tried disconnecting fans and the switch shut down.Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYep.... no problem so far with the Cisco..... Early days though I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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