LollerAgent Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 I'm trying to determine how much electricity my rack is using (I'm having unusually high electric bills). Was considering ordering one of these Kill-a-watts [1] to measure. Any other suggestions? [1] https://www.amazon.com/P3-P4400-Electricity-Usage-Monitor/dp/B00009MDBU/ref=asc_df_B00009MDBU/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167125429392&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3073158476690182747&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9014308&hvtargid=pla-306572288073&psc=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin L Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 get a Sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMHarman Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Kid mining bitcoin? LollerAgent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LollerAgent Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Kevin L said: get a Sense That looks pretty cool. $300 is more than I want to spend *yet*, though. I picked up a Kill-A-Watt for $22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Do C4 outlet switches/dimmers have the capability to measure power consumption? If not they should - don't later gen dimmers have this functionality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Lowe Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Pakedge PE-09 has some good feedback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Lowe Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 can see more on individual ports and total draws too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMHarman Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Do C4 outlet switches/dimmers have the capability to measure power consumption? If not they should - don't later gen dimmers have this functionality?They all display it in Composer and Composer HE. No data is aggregated on it though (at least as far as I know) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 What is the purpose of this? Didn't C4 at one time have an initiative to help monitor energy usage? Is that still something that C4 is still focusing on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomgordon Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Have you looked at the Chowmain driver for eGuage? https://www.egauge.net. I’ve looked at all of these. eGuage is cheap and effective because it is connected to all circuits in the breaker. Sense has a prettier interface but no C4 integration and is inaccurate because it is not connected to all circuits. Instead it uses AI to guess loads which is amazing but ultimately less accurate. There are really good reviews and YouTube videos on Sense showing that for many people, the AI has lots of inaccuracies even after several weeks of training. eGuage is more complicated to install but is 100% accurate instantly There are a couple of monitor-only alternatives to egauge that also connect to all the breakers. But eGuage has a C4 driver A more expensive option which also has a C4 integration in the adapt system from pantech. It not only does monitoring but it actually has a smart breaker control for dynamic load support (lots to discuss here). I met the guys at Cedia. It’s very similar to savant’s racepoint system https://pantechdesign.com/adaptenergy https://drivercentral.io/platforms/control4-drivers/utility/adapt-energy/ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk alanchow and LollerAgent 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Africa C4 user Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 There are 2 e-gauge drivers (Chowmain and Intrinsic). My dealer is playing with both and I don’t know which he will ultimately use for me. Should have been finalised months ago, so I am keen to get it done... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomgordon Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 There are 2 e-gauge drivers (Chowmain and Intrinsic). My dealer is playing with both and I don’t know which he will ultimately use for me. Should have been finalised months ago, so I am keen to get it done...Interesting. Please report back what you find. Are you aware of differences yet?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Africa C4 user Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 25 minutes ago, phantomgordon said: Interesting. Please report back what you find. Are you aware of differences yet? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Will do... so far, all I have seen is the documentation. I expect to have e-gauge fully installed and one or both drivers up and running at my beach house in a couple of weeks. Will report back then. Looking at the documentation, I suspect that one gives more access to variables and the other gives “prettier” feedback using experience buttons. But I may be wrong! phantomgordon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanchow Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 On 2/26/2020 at 12:46 AM, phantomgordon said: Have you looked at the Chowmain driver for eGuage? https://www.egauge.net. I’ve looked at all of these. eGuage is cheap and effective because it is connected to all circuits in the breaker. Sense has a prettier interface but no C4 integration and is inaccurate because it is not connected to all circuits. Instead it uses AI to guess loads which is amazing but ultimately less accurate. There are really good reviews and YouTube videos on Sense showing that for many people, the AI has lots of inaccuracies even after several weeks of training. eGuage is more complicated to install but is 100% accurate instantly There are a couple of monitor-only alternatives to egauge that also connect to all the breakers. But eGuage has a C4 driver A more expensive option which also has a C4 integration in the adapt system from pantech. It not only does monitoring but it actually has a smart breaker control for dynamic load support (lots to discuss here). I met the guys at Cedia. It’s very similar to savant’s racepoint system https://pantechdesign.com/adaptenergy https://drivercentral.io/platforms/control4-drivers/utility/adapt-energy/ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yep our eGauge driver works well and has been one of our goto energy monitors for years (the other one which works via zigbee unfortunately is out of business) Historical information is displayed on any T3 touchscreen and all registers are imported into Control4 so it allows you to program against individual circuits, virtual registers (think accumulation of data like multiple lighting circuits or power circuits in one register) and other data like temperature, voltage, frequency and more. .https://www.chowmainsoft.com/egauge-eg3000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomgordon Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 I had a mistaken post. please ignore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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