rf9000 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 All, so I’m looking to combine a Triad 24x24 audio matrix and a 8x8 audio matrix. What is the most proper way to do this? There is one EA5 controller. The initial thought is to run two outputs off the EA5 to each matrix and sort of keep them separate. The 24x24 for interior zones and the 8x8 for exterior zones. But if music is turned on in one of the interior zones, we would definitely want to be able to add any of the exterior zones to play the same thing at the same point in the song, just like if we were adding another interior zone. Do we need another controller? Please help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggzlot Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 1 hour ago, rf9000 said: All, so I’m looking to combine a Triad 24x24 audio matrix and a 8x8 audio matrix. What is the most proper way to do this? There is one EA5 controller. The initial thought is to run two outputs off the EA5 to each matrix and sort of keep them separate. The 24x24 for interior zones and the 8x8 for exterior zones. But if music is turned on in one of the interior zones, we would definitely want to be able to add any of the exterior zones to play the same thing at the same point in the song, just like if we were adding another interior zone. Do we need another controller? Please help and your dealer will know how to get up to 5 distinct audio streams off the EA5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 there is no proper way - proper way is a larger matrix sonic30101 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsocialtoaster Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 As long as your source to play internally and externally is only ever going to be C4 music, the controllers are able to play the same stream from multiple outputs, so you could join an internal zone with an external zone. If you had something else playing the audio then this might be trickier. MSGreenf is correct though that a larger matrix would be a better solution and allow for more flexibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstafford388 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Zektor makes a bigger matrix and works great in a C4 environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggzlot Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Zektor and Video Storms larger Matrix options were discussed in his original post in 2019 which I put into my original reply Basically nothing has changed since 2019 and that thread with 40 responses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cshepard Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 You needed someone who had a clue what they were doing to design a system for you before you bought the equipment. eggzlot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rf9000 Posted March 25, 2021 Author Share Posted March 25, 2021 17 hours ago, eggzlot said: Zektor and Video Storms larger Matrix options were discussed in his original post in 2019 which I put into my original reply Basically nothing has changed since 2019 and that thread with 40 responses. Yup, but then at same time everyone then recommended the sound quality of the Triads over the Video Storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rf9000 Posted March 25, 2021 Author Share Posted March 25, 2021 10 hours ago, cshepard said: You needed someone who had a clue what they were doing to design a system for you before you bought the equipment. But if that meant buying at $6000+ audio matrix to overcome this little desired objective, then no that was out of the question. Yes a 32 zone Zektor would have been best, but sometimes spending $4000 more to get that ability to add an outdoor zone, really isnt worth it, right? Would love to have a no expense considered system "designed" but that wasnt the case. Also, we didnt want to eliminate zones. We actually have 60 in ceiling speakers for the whole home audio system, so we are already combining speakers on zones to get down to the 24 zones and we didnt want to eliminate speakers if that is what you meant by design. This doesnt include the outdoor zones where there is another 25 landscape speakers and five subwoofers, but those are all 70V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggzlot Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 19 minutes ago, rf9000 said: Yup, but then at same time everyone then recommended the sound quality of the Triads over the Video Storm Listening to people review mostly analog audio matrix and sound quality on a forum is a joke. Ever look at a speaker thread on a forum? Sound is SUBJECTIVE. There is no consensus or right or wrong answer about sound on a forum. Is Sam Adam’s beer better than Bud Lite? Are Yamaha speakers better than Klipsch? Some things don’t have a definitive yes or no - there is something called group-think on a forum the answer is get a bigger matrix. You don’t like that answer. Second answer was also your dealer why they designed it that way - no response 10 ea1, 60 speakers....32 zones of audio. Doing this in your own good luck - I hate to sound rude but you are going to have a sour experience with c4. I don’t think you get how the system is meant to be designed and you aren’t open to the answers given to you nor are you consulting with an on-site professional. You are asking random people to throw darts at problems without the full picture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggzlot Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 oh and BTW - the 38x38 VS is cheaper than your two Triad matrix - you've mentioned a budget several times before. I'd hazard a guess that less than 20 people worldwide have ever properly A/B tested Triad vs Video Storm vs Zektor. And even if so, their results are again, subjective. There is no fact around "better" when it comes to sound quality. You are talking about speakers in your ceiling in a kitchen, living room, poolside, etc - not critical 2 channel studio listening - where your opinion (not a forums opinion) would matter. Any matrix is fine - get the one suited for your job and budget - which in this case, screams Video Storm. Most installs do not require audio delay syncing (offered by Zektor and Video Storm) and most installs aren't over 24x24 - that is why 95% of dealers spec Triad. its quick, simple, easy and ships with all the other C4 hardware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rf9000 Posted March 25, 2021 Author Share Posted March 25, 2021 8 hours ago, eggzlot said: oh and BTW - the 38x38 VS is cheaper than your two Triad matrix - you've mentioned a budget several times before. I'd hazard a guess that less than 20 people worldwide have ever properly A/B tested Triad vs Video Storm vs Zektor. And even if so, their results are again, subjective. There is no fact around "better" when it comes to sound quality. You are talking about speakers in your ceiling in a kitchen, living room, poolside, etc - not critical 2 channel studio listening - where your opinion (not a forums opinion) would matter. Any matrix is fine - get the one suited for your job and budget - which in this case, screams Video Storm. Most installs do not require audio delay syncing (offered by Zektor and Video Storm) and most installs aren't over 24x24 - that is why 95% of dealers spec Triad. its quick, simple, easy and ships with all the other C4 hardware. Problem is, I just found out the VS 38x38 is discontinued. Back to the Triads! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rf9000 Posted March 25, 2021 Author Share Posted March 25, 2021 9 hours ago, eggzlot said: Listening to people review mostly analog audio matrix and sound quality on a forum is a joke. Ever look at a speaker thread on a forum? Sound is SUBJECTIVE. There is no consensus or right or wrong answer about sound on a forum. Is Sam Adam’s beer better than Bud Lite? Are Yamaha speakers better than Klipsch? Some things don’t have a definitive yes or no - there is something called group-think on a forum the answer is get a bigger matrix. You don’t like that answer. Second answer was also your dealer why they designed it that way - no response 10 ea1, 60 speakers....32 zones of audio. Doing this in your own good luck - I hate to sound rude but you are going to have a sour experience with c4. I don’t think you get how the system is meant to be designed and you aren’t open to the answers given to you nor are you consulting with an on-site professional. You are asking random people to throw darts at problems without the full picture By the way, you seem very upset when you respond? I'm a person that likes to figure things out and know why things work they way they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggzlot Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, rf9000 said: Problem is, I just found out the VS 38x38 is discontinued. Back to the Triads! Discontinued or out of stock? Only if you purchased it in 2019 when first recommended. They also have ding/dent and refurb items so I’d contact them regardless. nothing wrong with seeking details. But when people give you an answer you don’t want to hear you keep asking the same questions. And you don’t seem to ask questions about why A or B but more about design this for me from scratch. it’s ok - I have given you several ideas on several threads. Think I’m upset? Uh ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rf9000 Posted March 25, 2021 Author Share Posted March 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, eggzlot said: Discontinued or out of stock? Only if you purchased it in 2019 when first recommended. They also have ding/dent and refurb items so I’d contact them regardless. nothing wrong with seeking details. But when people give you an answer you don’t want to hear you keep asking the same questions. And you don’t seem to ask questions about why A or B but more about design this for me from scratch. it’s ok - I have given you several ideas on several threads. Think I’m upset? Uh ok. They no longer make the CMX series and the refurb one is sold. The price was no concern on the VS vs. Triad, but everyone praises the Triads so much, its hard to go with the VS when I think only one forum member had recommended it. Plus, a few thought the Triads would work, so I decided to keep them and give it a shot. I think I have found a way to make them work after speaking with engineering, but was seeing if anyone had any other ideas since I lasted posted on this. What thing that will be ok, but would rather not do it, is combing four speakers in a zone to get the zone number down. They are all 8ohm and I know the Triad PAMP amps can handle it, but hope it doesnt lessen the quality or the output that much of the speakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejn1 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 hour ago, rf9000 said: By the way, you seem very upset when you respond? I'm a person that likes to figure things out and know why things work they way they do. There are lot of other forums out there when you ask a question over and over again, you get absolutely roasted as people don't think you are respecting someone's time who is answering you for free (40 replies in prior thread is a lot of folks giving help). Just a bit of explanation. Also, when someone takes the time to basically answer detailed design questions with depth, might be helpful to give them an occasional thank you. Just some thoughts to think about... eggzlot and wnpublic 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 2 hours ago, rf9000 said: I think I have found a way to make them work after speaking with engineering And you think someone here would know better than the people the designed the product? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 On 3/24/2021 at 8:13 AM, rf9000 said: All, so I’m looking to combine a Triad 24x24 audio matrix and a 8x8 audio matrix. What is the most proper way to do this? There is one EA5 controller. The initial thought is to run two outputs off the EA5 to each matrix and sort of keep them separate. The 24x24 for interior zones and the 8x8 for exterior zones. But if music is turned on in one of the interior zones, we would definitely want to be able to add any of the exterior zones to play the same thing at the same point in the song, just like if we were adding another interior zone. Do we need another controller? Please help Ehm. Assuming you find 2 streams enough on the second amp, and 3 on the main, this would work fine, and yes they should be in sync. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tekki70 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 if you are only adding 1 extra zone above the 24 matrix , what about a triad one ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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