jfh Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 I’m looking to move away from ASUS and Netgear on my network (mostly not having a combined router and wireless device). I was looking into an AmpliFi HD either ad a router/WiFi or a wired AP but then started looking into Ubiquiti, which would also let me use the Cinegration driver for some desired function. I’m not a networking noob but don’t quite understand what exactly I need. Here’s what I’m thinking; UniFi cloud key v2 (Think I need this to manage the network or a dedicated PC or rPi) 2x UniFi AP AC Pro (one upstairs, one downstairs) EdgeRouter4 or UniFi Security gateway (not sure why to pick one over the other) Any help/guidance advice welcome and appreciated, especially on what to use for a router. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecschnei Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 I would recommend the unifi security gateway Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janthony6 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 USG is old and damn near dead. That’s a bad red. UDM or UDM-Pro are the correct answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chudel Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 48 minutes ago, jfh said: Here’s what I’m thinking; UniFi cloud key v2 (Think I need this to manage the network or a dedicated PC or rPi) 2x UniFi AP AC Pro (one upstairs, one downstairs) EdgeRouter4 or UniFi Security gateway (not sure why to pick one over the other) While I don't use the Cinegration driver, here is my setup. I'm taking advantage of their recently released UDM (Ubiquiti Dream Machine). The UDM combines an AP, GB-capable IDS/IPS, CloudKey Management, and 4-port switch + WAN connection. - UDM - 2x Ubiquiti 8-60W (4 POE ports each) switches - 2x Unify AP AC In-wall (from previous house) The setup is pretty simple after that - two VLANs and two WiFi networks in my case for regular and regular-OT (C4 and IOT gear). Plus a simple guest wifi portal. You can assign VLANs based on port quite easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfh Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share Posted February 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, janthony6 said: USG is old and damn near dead. That’s a bad red. UDM or UDM-Pro are the correct answers. Would I need the Cloud key with one of the UDM boxes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chudel Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, jfh said: Would I need the Cloud key with one of the UDM boxes? No - UDM includes the "Cloud Key", which is to say remote (or local) management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave w Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 USG isn't dead. It is still perfectly fine for a small home network and with the UDM-Pro just being released there will be a good supply of used USGs and cloud keys available in coming weeks. So good opportunity to save a few bucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWD Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Just ordered a pair of UDM-Pros to replace two USG-Pros. If you have Gig internet and want to use IPS then the UDM-Pro is really the only option. Also the VPN is pretty slow on the USG, UDM-Pro should fix that. janthony6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 I don't think you can use Edgerouter if you want to use the Unifi Controller as that is not part of the same family. I have a USG and several Access Points. If you want to take full advantage of the monitoring offered by Unifi then you might want to consider Unifi wired switches as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 7 hours ago, KWD said: Just ordered a pair of UDM-Pros to replace two USG-Pros. If you have Gig internet and want to use IPS then the UDM-Pro is really the only option. Also the VPN is pretty slow on the USG, UDM-Pro should fix that. Does the USG even have proper VPN? One of my few frustrations with the USG is that it does not easily run OpenVPN server which I was able to have on my old Asus router. I did have it running for a while, but you had to run a bunch of commands in the CLI as it wasn't supported in the Controller GUI. But then it died and I couldn't get it back alive so now I just run OpenVPN server in a docker container on my unRAID server. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfh Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 My p 1 hour ago, zaphod said: I don't think you can use Edgerouter if you want to use the Unifi Controller as that is not part of the same family. I have a USG and several Access Points. If you want to take full advantage of the monitoring offered by Unifi then you might want to consider Unifi wired switches as well. Yeah, I had seen a post that said EdgeRouter and C4 didn’t play well together so I switched to dream machine. I waffled between DM and DM-Pro and went with DM because I don’t see myself using the NVR (and I could get the DM faster). My main switch is Araknis and didn’t see a good reason to change now, though the monitoring would be nice. I ordered; Dream Machine UniFi FlexHD Wave 2 WiFi AP Unifi nanoHD Wave 2 WiFi AP (might not use and get one of the outlet mounted APs instead as I have a perfect spot upstairs for it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 I recently bought one of the cheaper AC-Lites to add to my older devices as one room in my house had very weak coverage. To be honest, I am not 100% sure what the difference is between the nanoHD and the AC-Lite is. I think it is speed, but I am pretty sure the AC-Lite can do at least 100Mbps which is plenty in a home setting. I typically have about 40-50 wifi devices on my LAN but it is rare that more than 2-3 are using any bandwidth. I think the HD devices are more useful in corporate settings where you get lots of devices on the network at once, all trying to use lots of bandwidth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lippavisual Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Ac lites are wave 1 ac with a 3x3 MIMO nanos are wave 2 ac with 4x4 MIMO basically wave 2 allows for faster throughput and can talk to multiple devices at the same time. Theres a chart floating around their forum that shows the differences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Are Wave 2 overkill for a typical family home? My house is wide and the walls seem to greatly attenuate the wifi signal. Therefore I have five WAPs. At any one time there may be about 40 wifi devices, but most of the many of these devices (Echos, ring doorbell, smart scale, Sonos, LED light controllers) use very little bandwidth. Therefore is it worthwhile to get the nanos? Or am I just as well served with the AC lites? Most of my APs are the older UAPs that are going to be deprecated in a little over a year. I either have to replace them or not upgrade the Unifi Controller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lippavisual Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 That depends on your use case. Wave 2 will certainly allow zippier response by being able to communicate with multiple devices at a time. Allowed throughput is also higher. The original UAPS I always thought we’re junk because of 2.4 only. Too many variables for me to state whether that works better for you or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 24 minutes ago, lippavisual said: The original UAPS I always thought we’re junk because of 2.4 only. The funny thing about this is that my devices seem to really prefer 2.4 over 5 for some reason. I have two WAPs that can do both 5 and 2.4 and the vast majority of clients on those WAPs seem to prefer 2.4. I can't figure out what that is as I would think 2.4 would be more congested. My home isn't that congested in general as my lot is 100' x 300' so it isn't like I have a ton of overlap from the neighbours, although in parts of the house I can see the SSIDs from next door. And many of my devices definitely have 5GHz radios, such as iPhones and iPads of recent vintage, plus lots of Echo Dots. Maybe I should try creating a separate network/SSID for 5GHz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lippavisual Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Always separate the 2 spectrums. That’s the only way to steer your newer devices to 5Gh. 2.4 has better penetration through floors and ceilings, so It always seems like the stronger signal when the two spectrums are combined. Dual nic, wireless, Devices take their pick of the network based on RSSI results, not throughput/bandwidth available. I always separate, usually do “myssid-5” and “myssid-2.4”. Set each wap To different channels, based on location. Tune the radios power so you get slight overlap between each wap. Then set RSSI release levels, if needed, for those sticky clients Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alt Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Just for the record Edgerouter4 is a great router and works well with control4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWD Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 On 2/3/2020 at 8:10 AM, zaphod said: Does the USG even have proper VPN? One of my few frustrations with the USG is that it does not easily run OpenVPN server which I was able to have on my old Asus router. I did have it running for a while, but you had to run a bunch of commands in the CLI as it wasn't supported in the Controller GUI. But then it died and I couldn't get it back alive so now I just run OpenVPN server in a docker container on my unRAID server. IPSec yes with hardware offloading. Supposedly can do 800MBps. They can do OpenVPN but I’m sure it’s pretty slow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prabeau Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 I have been using a USG with UAP-AC-Lite with band steering in a 2500sf 2 floor house. My iPhones, macs, echo and fire stick all latch on to the 5gh no matter what Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Do you just have one SSID set up for both frequencies, or do you have separate SSIDs for each freq? I currently have two dual radio WAPs and four 2.4GHz WAPs. I am wondering how things will work if I set up separate networks based on frequency - as in, when I am in a part of the house that only has 2.4GHz and then move to a part of the house with dual will my phone stay on the 2.4GHz SSID or will it switch to 5GHz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekohn00 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, zaphod said: Do you just have one SSID set up for both frequencies, or do you have separate SSIDs for each freq? I currently have two dual radio WAPs and four 2.4GHz WAPs. I am wondering how things will work if I set up separate networks based on frequency - as in, when I am in a part of the house that only has 2.4GHz and then move to a part of the house with dual will my phone stay on the 2.4GHz SSID or will it switch to 5GHz? Your phone "typically" will move to the strongest signal. My phone will bounce to 2.5 in areas that have weak 5. unifi easily allows either combined or separate names for SSID or multiple. Comes in handy for some 2.4 smart switches I throw on the network - I put them in a simple 2.4 only SSID. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prabeau Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 6 hours ago, zaphod said: Do you just have one SSID set up for both frequencies, or do you have separate SSIDs for each freq? I currently have two dual radio WAPs and four 2.4GHz WAPs. I am wondering how things will work if I set up separate networks based on frequency - as in, when I am in a part of the house that only has 2.4GHz and then move to a part of the house with dual will my phone stay on the 2.4GHz SSID or will it switch to 5GHz? 1 , SSID, works well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooner Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 On 2/2/2020 at 5:07 PM, chudel said: While I don't use the Cinegration driver, here is my setup. I'm taking advantage of their recently released UDM (Ubiquiti Dream Machine). The UDM combines an AP, GB-capable IDS/IPS, CloudKey Management, and 4-port switch + WAN connection. - UDM - 2x Ubiquiti 8-60W (4 POE ports each) switches - 2x Unify AP AC In-wall (from previous house) The setup is pretty simple after that - two VLANs and two WiFi networks in my case for regular and regular-OT (C4 and IOT gear). Plus a simple guest wifi portal. You can assign VLANs based on port quite easily. Purchased similar setup with UDM Pro, switches, and AP's. Why do you need VLANs and two different WiFi networks? Not a network guru but interested in why you decided on this format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pounce Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Sooner said: Purchased similar setup with UDM Pro, switches, and AP's. Why do you need VLANs and two different WiFi networks? Not a network guru but interested in why you decided on this format. Security or to separate noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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