cdepaola Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 I got to get my hands on one of these and play with it. It's design is very nice, looks great, seems solid and well built. It also has me looking more closely at this vs the Aprilaire 8800, just when I thought I had it figured out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chesterwilson Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 1) not EV, but yeah, your point is correct anyway.2) you may or may not need to update the driver on a Nest change. There's no way to know up-front.3) I'm pro-Control4 as well , but anti-FUD. Saying that Nest *will* make firmware updates that *will* render the driver incompatible is nothing but FUD.RyanE"FUD"It can be a good thing sometimes.http://www.houselogix.com/dev/nestthermostat.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdvr Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 1) not EV' date=' but yeah, your point is correct anyway.2) you may or may not need to update the driver on a Nest change. There's no way to know up-front.3) I'm pro-Control4 as well , but anti-FUD. Saying that Nest *will* make firmware updates that *will* render the driver incompatible is nothing but FUD.RyanE[/quote']"FUD"It can be a good thing sometimes.http://www.houselogix.com/dev/nestthermostat.aspBoy, let's read Ryan's statement number three and read the hydrologix statement and see if we can find a difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chesterwilson Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 1) not EV' date=' but yeah, your point is correct anyway.2) you may or may not need to update the driver on a Nest change. There's no way to know up-front.3) I'm pro-Control4 as well , but anti-FUD. Saying that Nest *will* make firmware updates that *will* render the driver incompatible is nothing but FUD.RyanE[/quote']"FUD"It can be a good thing sometimes.http://www.houselogix.com/dev/nestthermostat.aspBoy, let's read Ryan's statement number three and read the hydrologix statement and see if we can find a differenceNot sure I understand your statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdvr Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 I thought it would be obvious.See the asterisks? Ryan was pointing out that while it might be possible that they would do a firmware upgrade that would break the driver, saying they *WILL* do so is fud.Then we have the second issue, NO firmware has been released that broke the driver. They were asked (probably demanded) not to sell a product that was reversed engineered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chesterwilson Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 I thought it would be obvious.See the asterisks? Ryan was pointing out that while it might be possible that they would do a firmware upgrade that would break the driver, saying they *WILL* do so is fud.Then we have the second issue, NO firmware has been released that broke the driver. They were asked (probably demanded) not to sell a product that was reversed engineered.Yes and I send FUD can be a good thing sometimes. I never said it wasn't FUD. I guess it comes down to what level of FUD you are willing to accept. In terms of your second point are you sure that no firmware was released and that the current Nest driver is still fully functional? If so that would be great for pstuart! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin L Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 thats no fun.. a lot of development time was wasted.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chesterwilson Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 thats no fun.. a lot of development time was wasted..Indeed, bad for everyone all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoGo Delicious Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 . . . . They were asked (probably demanded) not to sell a product that was reversed engineered.I would say under threat of a lawsuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdvr Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 . . . . They were asked (probably demanded) not to sell a product that was reversed engineered.I would say under threat of a lawsuit.Yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveC4 Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Well...nobody can say there wasn't a lot of warning from a few of us "crazies". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveC4 Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 It would be product suicide to release a firmware update that totally breaks functionality of say.... someones nest iphone app that couldn't upgrade the app on their phone in time.I agree. I find no reason that this device/driver combo would be much more fragile than many other devices (i.e. any others who do not publish a public protocol).RyanESo, did NEST just commit "product suicide"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
me23 Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Whew, man I was almost about to pull the trigger on 2 of those.Of course, should we be suprised that this happened. Very "Applesque" I should say:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 . . . . They were asked (probably demanded) not to sell a product that was reversed engineered.I would say under threat of a lawsuit.Looks like things may be "hotting up" in the TStat world then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I was just getting ready to install two next week in my new house...going to have to think about what else to put in that is C4 compatible and just as 'cool'....guess good old C4 thermostat is always an option....jeez...what else shows humidity and works with c4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdepaola Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Aprilaire 8800 is the most full featured t-stat I'm aware of that works with C4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbrown Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Why not just give it away under open source licensing then houselogic ? It's not a crime to reverse engineer, it's the profiting that creates the risk ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecodeman Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The Radio CT 80s are fugly but seem to be working well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I'll admit, I underestimated their anti-3rd-party sentiments.Kind of surprising that a company wouldn't want to integrate.Shame, really.RyanE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdepaola Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't really understand why companies are so affraid to release control protocol. None of them charge for their apps and while a few of the apps are excellent most are not. Being so closed simply invites "hackers"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c44me Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 what a shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seth_j Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I don't really understand why companies are so affraid to release control protocol. None of them charge for their apps and while a few of the apps are excellent most are not. Being so closed simply invites "hackers"...Because then they have to support it which costs money. If they change an API it costs money/causes headaches. Its very hard to do properly and very low on the list with startups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hevnbnd Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 This sucks I have a nest in my newly built house & a C4 system with the driver already but dealer says NO WAY to make the driver work since it requires license.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSDave Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 It would be product suicide to release a firmware update that totally breaks functionality of say.... someones nest iphone app that couldn't upgrade the app on their phone in time.I agree. I find no reason that this device/driver combo would be much more fragile than many other devices (i.e. any others who do not publish a public protocol).RyanESo' date=' did NEST just commit "product suicide"?[/quote']Nope. I say we just reverse engineer it publicly and release an open source driver. Maybe see if some of the Jailbreaking community would like to jump on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pstuart Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 It already has been. There are tons of examples out there via google. Just need to find the time to write the C4 driver, but what I'm seeing with my Nest is they are changing their web services requests with every firmware and application update, which means having to change the driver almost every month.Once they get the platform stable, I have a feeling they will be opening up access, but right now they are tweaking all kinds of things in their json traffic and adding features, etc. that it just doesn't make sense to write a driver and have to constantly be updating it to keep it working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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