navman Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 I am planning for audio for my pool and outdoor patio which consists of a 75in Samsung full sun TV. My C4 dealer recommended the Sonance Landscape series 8.2 system to provide the audio to my tv and for playing audio. How does this compare for value with other Sonance options and other vendor offerings. Dealer also recommended another EA1, Apple TV and Neo remote, was hoping that C4 had a waterproof remote if I were to go this more pricier route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveC4 Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 For my pool area I use 4 8” Snap A/C speakers powered by my distributed audio system (Control4 and triad amps/matrix) that are installed in the covered patio roof. Then over by the pool bath and equipment room I have an outdoor Snap A/V wall Mount speaker powered by a Triad One. I’ve got a fairly large space (22’ x 50’ pool and 3,200 square feet of pool decking) and this works incredibly well. It allows me to have the volume levels at a point where you can hear it pretty much everywhere but don’t feel like it’s blasting crazy loud anywhere. The system he’s describing sounds like overkill. Oh, and for video I use a high lumen, short throw projector that rocks. It needs to close to sunset or overcast before we can really use the video part though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navman Posted October 6, 2021 Author Share Posted October 6, 2021 I have a distributed audio amp too but all zones / outputs are taken up. The bid has a triad one amp included. my pool is 18x40. patio area is around 1200 -1500 sq feet plus the pool area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 I use Yamaha outdoor speakers powered by a C4 4 zone amp. Two zone by the pool and 4 speakers connected to one zone surround the jacuzzi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon2828 Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Unless you have money to burn, I would get a "value" set of speakers for outdoors (unless you live in the Desert where humidity, salt air, or rain is not a problem). Sonnance is definitely NOT a value brand - that is high end gear. In my opinion and experience, even speakers that are labeled as "environmental" or "salt mist tested" will over time exposed to the elements corrode, rust, and/or fail. Sound quality is difficult to control outdoors as well. Better to have to replace something somewhat cheaper that works (note that I am not suggesting Walmart speakers here, just not high end like Sonnance) and have to replace them at a lower cost down the line than sinking tons of money into high end outdoor stuff that will also over time fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topfox Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 I have the triad garden array with 8 speakers and an inground sub around my 20x40 pool and 2800sqft patio. Absolutely love it. Get tons of compliments. Speakers are powered by a Crown amp. msgreenf and chopedogg88 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navman Posted October 6, 2021 Author Share Posted October 6, 2021 48 minutes ago, Topfox said: I have the triad garden array with 8 speakers and an inground sub around my 20x40 pool and 2800sqft patio. Absolutely love it. Get tons of compliments. Speakers are powered by a Crown amp. What is the cost for this set-up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topfox Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 53 minutes ago, navman said: What is the cost for this set-up? Let me see if I still have the invoice for what I paid. I’ve had it for about 3-4 years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopedogg88 Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Triad Garden Array with Crown amp is a great setup. The Sonance Garden Series system is also solid. PM me if you'd like pricing, I can get you either and help you with planning...I've installed several of them over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tekki70 Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 outdoor speakers just like any speaker really depends on what you want your listening experience to be, cheap is cheap and will not last. sonance, triad episode are pretty good, i wouldnt go with 4" speakers i would stay with 6" or 8". i would also plan out your area with zones so you can have adjustable volumes for the areas outdoor. for me i have 4 sets of speakers in my yard. patio has a pair, pool has 3 pairs, grill has a pair and my yard has a pair. when entertaining the patio will always be backround music, keeps the wife happy, the grill area is a bit louder as i enjoy louder music, pool is gonna be louder as well and yard can be a bit louder too. i have all episode 6" running off episode rsp amp. now if i had the money i would do some coastal speakers as they sound phenomenal, just out of my budget for my setup. planning is key as well as speaker and amp selection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lippavisual Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 You will want a 70v system. The above brands mentioned are great with a crown amp. as mentioned above, cheap will sound cheap. Most quality outdoor speakers are all around the same cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Control4Savant Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 2 hours ago, tekki70 said: outdoor speakers just like any speaker really depends on what you want your listening experience to be, cheap is cheap and will not last. sonance, triad episode are pretty good, i wouldnt go with 4" speakers i would stay with 6" or 8". i would also plan out your area with zones so you can have adjustable volumes for the areas outdoor. for me i have 4 sets of speakers in my yard. patio has a pair, pool has 3 pairs, grill has a pair and my yard has a pair. when entertaining the patio will always be backround music, keeps the wife happy, the grill area is a bit louder as i enjoy louder music, pool is gonna be louder as well and yard can be a bit louder too. i have all episode 6" running off episode rsp amp. now if i had the money i would do some coastal speakers as they sound phenomenal, just out of my budget for my setup. planning is key as well as speaker and amp selection Most garden systems are well distributed 4" drivers with 2+ subwoofers. Similar to a more modern indoor distribution with 4" apertures and in-ceiling sub. 6" drivers and even 8" drivers on outdoor speakers are not designed for low frequency. I would say the next step above the Sonance, Triad options would be bollard speakers from Revel or Origin. Costal Source make top notch outdoor loudspeakers but it's not a great pool/large spread option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navman Posted October 6, 2021 Author Share Posted October 6, 2021 A big factor for me is having my outdoor TV audio distributed all over the pool area as opposed to just using a soundbar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tekki70 Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 18 hours ago, navman said: A big factor for me is having my outdoor TV audio distributed all over the pool area as opposed to just using a soundbar feed the audio from your sources or you tv back to the matrix and you will be able to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topfox Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 21 hours ago, navman said: A big factor for me is having my outdoor TV audio distributed all over the pool area as opposed to just using a soundbar Yep I do this as well. Only problem I have with doing this in my setup is source volume. Meaning when I put the source on Cable box, I have to turn the volume way up. When I have it on Pandora or Shairbridge, I don’t have to turn it up as loud. It will work, but for my setup I just have to remember if I switch from video audio to audio source off my EA, to turn the volume down first or the EA audio source will be super loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 You can probably do some programming to make this better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lippavisual Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Room control driver. Default volumes for watch source and listen source. Or use the source leveling, if it’s available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdepaola Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 James Loudspeakers 12" Omni Series or Outdoor Towers these things are absolute tanks and sound amazing. Made of heavy gauge aircraft aluminum that gets powder coated. Coastal Source also makes some amazing speakers that I've see cover acres of property. Their new Line Source Bollards are simply amazing but price point is not for the faint of heart. Electro-Voice Evid series are also fantastic and one of the most used speakers in the commercial market. We install a fair amount of the James Omni Series there's just nothing else built like them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregCAMS Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Had Origin Acoustics Seasons series installed 3 years ago and tied in with Triad amp and matrix. sound is great and price was reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawkyns Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 I have a set of POLK atrium outdoor speakers, four of them around the pool and yard, and then two patio speakers, all distributed audio run by the snap amps that do the rest of the house. the outdoor is an independent zone, but having multiple speakers allows for decent listening at neighbor friendly volumes everywhere in the yard (small yard 100x40). I agree that unless you are really looking to get high quality audio and spend money, you are better off using lower price speakers. learned this the hard way, spent a fortune on the 'rock' speakers when I first did the yard but had them fail after a few years. AZ is harsh on anything outdoors. The when they gave up, I got the polk outdoor speakers. 1/3 the price, had my landscape guy build some small waist high block structures for them then painted the whole thing to match the fence. If I ever have to replace them, it is just two hand screws and some wire twists. Highly recommend checking them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWRobinson Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 I have AmbiSonic Systems speakers with this sub and they are amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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