Composer4hire Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 I've heard rumors of savant style licensing fees...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 I've heard rumours Sasquatch exists..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggzlot Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Does Savant have a yearly fee for something like 4sight? I honestly have no clue. To me, it is all about out of pocket cost. I mean end of day if I am paying $150/year for "4sight" or for a "license", its $150 out of pocket, call it whatever you want. if they want to start charging for 4sight AND A license, then let's have another talk. and yes I know 4sight offers "services" which aren't needed so technically you could run c4 without any fees yearly. That said, I would assume a vast majority of c4 customers pay for 4sight And didn't old Controllers have a license anyways? so this is new or just back to square one? I joined the c4 world in 2013 when licenses were just being sold in the controller vs a separate purchase so that is pre-existing my knowledge. and there are photos of Sasquatch and El Chupacabra so there's that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Oh Daddy, Don't Stop posting this Second Hand News, but I Don't Want to Know. You can Go Your Own Way, but I am Never Gong Back Again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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zaphod Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 4 hours ago, Cyknight said: I've heard rumours Sasquatch exists..... It's pronounced Samsquanch, Ricky! BXTR, neil12011 and Time2Jet 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 LMFAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAV Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Eggzlot, Savant has added license fees based on project size, stipulates minimum controller, and what third party devices are in the project. $$$$s Apparently dealers were selling it like Josh. Using Sonos and Lutron. eggzlot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil12011 Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 55 minutes ago, zaphod said: It's pronounced Samsquanch, Ricky! I was waiting for someone to post this. Just one more drinky poo Randy Bo' Bandy. BXTR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAV Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Sasquash lives in my grill cabinet. tmj4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj4 Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Well regardless of truth, recurring revenue is the name of the game and investors love it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 10 minutes ago, tmj4 said: regardless of truth Regardless of truth? I kind of think truth is the point, isn't it? Until Snap One announces anything (or never does), it doesn't really much matter, there's no truth until something happens. RyanE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 1 hour ago, tmj4 said: Well regardless of truth, recurring revenue is the name of the game and investors love it Exactly, and C4 has been making small steps in this direction for years requiring a 4sight sub for various functionality, like voice control, notifications. and, When/Then. So many tech companies are moving in this direction. HAaaS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Control4Savant Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 4 hours ago, eggzlot said: Does Savant have a yearly fee for something like 4sight? I honestly have no clue. To me, it is all about out of pocket cost. I mean end of day if I am paying $150/year for "4sight" or for a "license", its $150 out of pocket, call it whatever you want. if they want to start charging for 4sight AND A license, then let's have another talk. and yes I know 4sight offers "services" which aren't needed so technically you could run c4 without any fees yearly. That said, I would assume a vast majority of c4 customers pay for 4sight And didn't old Controllers have a license anyways? so this is new or just back to square one? I joined the c4 world in 2013 when licenses were just being sold in the controller vs a separate purchase so that is pre-existing my knowledge. and there are photos of Sasquatch and El Chupacabra so there's that.... There has been some transition here in the Savant world as well…. There ware licenses for each “OS version”. So you would buy a lic. for OS2 in the C4 comparison and then purchase an upgrade lic. when wanting the upgrade to OS3. This isn’t a requirement, the latest version of the previous OS still being updated and supported. The lics. used to be dependent on the 4 different host levels.. the first being included, the second being <$1k and the last two being thousands. A lic. might seem like a lot but paired with a Mac mini for $900 and the costs were comparable to larger processors from competitors. “4site” access in the Control4 sense is free and automatic w/ Savant. They had added an extra lic. for more advanced features accessed remotely but retraced it. They are moving now toward only integrated hosts (soundbar and amp) or self provided Mac hardware with OS lics. and lics. for deep integrations with big 3rd party system APIs eggzlot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregCAMS Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 To add on Josh doing the same and pricing their projects going forward based upon number of connected devices versus number of zones. Not sure when that will take place and how they'll notify customers that have the 5 year licenses like myself. Theirs will be either a monthly/yearly fee with an option to make a one-time purchase for the lifetime of the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew luecke Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 4 hours ago, zaphod said: Exactly, and C4 has been making small steps in this direction for years requiring a 4sight sub for various functionality, like voice control, notifications. and, When/Then. So many tech companies are moving in this direction. HAaaS Only some online services which require online servers like an email server require 4Sight And that's not entirely a bad thing instead of making it a "free for all". They also offer free services like OvrC already (and, you don't even need a hub anymore) Don't forget, Control4 does a lot of hospitality and such too, and many installations which don't have full time internet access... It's unlikely they'll ever require 4sight / yearly licences imho for general things Personally, I'd be surprised if they made a yearly subscription a requirement. At this time, I suspect it wouldn't be a good fit for their current model. I really don't see this happening honestly.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Composer4hire Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 told yall DanITman and NetworkNut 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 On 10/11/2023 at 6:38 PM, zaphod said: Exactly, and C4 has been making small steps in this direction for years requiring a 4sight sub for various functionality, like voice control, notifications. and, When/Then. So many tech companies are moving in this direction. HAaaS Yep, and I just had my acronym a bit off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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