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Apple is a religion...

Honeywell Evo Home has controllable TRVs and will integrate with Control4
https://drivercentral.io/platforms/control4-drivers/climate-fan-fireplace/honeywell-wi-fi-thermostat/
https://theevohomeshop.co.uk/honeywell-evohome/306-honeywell-evohome-hr91-radiator-controller-hr91.html

Let us know how it goes.

From a theoretical point of view one could load control4 on a brand-new Epyc 7302 and 64gb of ram and run millions of driver instances - so control4 is really holding themselves back

Well cedia is around the corner, isn't it?
So I guess Control4 just spilled the beans and we will see OS 3.1 next week or so

OK gotta try again. I have 6.

They amphasize its dealer based and the dealer is ur 1st point of contact - however if u shoot c4 an email they take care of it, but it's not their primary business practice :-)

That's so something I do not understand. Searching in my programming in HE would be sooooo much appreciated to find bugs.....

And exactly that is my point. There is NO reason for a device like a door station NOT to work with a new OS, just like a light switch - it does not need a new function, it could continue to "just be a door station".

Therefore it is NOT OK to have to remove it for the new OS - such behavior does not benefit the brand, it will scare ppl away as no one wants to spent 1200$ every 6 to 8 years just to stay on the current OS.

If you believe different then please explain to me why the DS cannot work with OS3 on a technical level - I. E. Why can't it continue to provide a door bell sound and audio video under OS while it can do it with OS 2.x

And exactly that is my point. There is NO reason for a device like a door station NOT to work with a new OS, just like a light switch - it does not need a new function, it could continue to "just be a door station".

Therefore it is NOT OK to have to remove it for the new OS - such behavior does not benefit the brand, it will scare ppl away as no one wants to spent 1200$ every 6 to 8 years just to stay on the current OS.

If you believe different then please explain to me why the DS cannot work with OS3 on a technical level - I. E. Why can't it continue to provide a door bell sound and audio video under OS while it can do it with OS 2.x

You cannot compare a smartphone with something that is part of house.
Home automation is in between long lasting parts for houses, like HVAC etc., and short lasting technology - it's a balance act.
For me everything that is somehow built into a house, like switches or a door station is something that I expect to work until it breaks, even if it is part of a HA system.
So an update to OS3 requiring to remove the doorstation is kinda a red flag here - it's supposed to make sound when someone pressed a button and provide audio and video - since the device was built to do that I don't see a reason why that should not work with OS 3 - it's not like the DS is 100$ piece of kit.
I don't expect an older device getting all the new functions, it's just about keeping it working.
The next step would be that all light switches are not compatible with OS 3.1 or so..

Don't be so harsh, it was pretty much already all over town....

Calling an Apple store a "compute repair shop" isn't really accurate.  They are retail locations that also do repairs as a means of getting you to come in and buy more stuff.  Show me a windows based computer repair store, don't quote GeekSquad...  They are few and far between, most are mom and pop shops and most don't make it more then several years.
There are a TON of people who fix their own furniture and appliances, to the tune of millions. I've repairs my oven main circuit board, my washer and dryer on several occasions, as well as replaced capacitors in my TV and central AC unit. I have saved thousands of dollars at this point by doing these easy repairs.  Fixing a washer/dryer isn't rocket science and there are lots of resources to help you do so as well as get you parts.  People have been working on their own vehicles since they were first made... Yes some folks hire this work out, many do not because they can't afford to do so, others don't because they enjoy it.
In the residential AV / integration world "Pro" does not mean you know what your doing or that you are knowledgeable.  You are just someone who opened a business, thats it.  I live in a very saturated and large market, the vast majority of "Pro" residential AV / integrator I've meet or personally know aren't exactly the folks I would want designing or working on my stuff.  The PRO residential segment is not as refined or educated as the real PRO AV market where the majority of folks have technical degrees in engineering, electronics, computers, etc. 
Just to clarify, I do believe there are excellent professionals out there who do know the art of their business. Do I believe its the majority, nope at least not in my experience. YMMV  
 
 

As long as my light switches/dimmers continue to work we are all good.  If I was forced to upgrade them for some reason I would no longer be a C4 user, those things are the most expensive part of the system after buying 100+.
 
 

My view - there aren't enough 1 percenters out there to sustain and grow an R&D electronics hardware company especially when these 1 percenters demand the latest and greatest all the time.  There just isn't enough money in the pot to come up with everything they want.  Only choice will be to open it up to more customers.  

They absolutely do, but, those other things aren’t really putting $$$$ into Control4 pocket.  Maybe I should have been more clear in my post. I was simply talking about hardware they sell. They’re definitely not a software company, I’m sure 4sight is some nice RMR, but they are a manufacturer, and have purchased other hard good companies. They need to sell that stuff to make money, and it’s not like once someone makes that initial investment, they’re upgrading regularly or adding zones of audio, etc. not saying doesn’t happen but rare. 
 
Like i said, I bought a HC250-1 when it came out (first company I worked for gave me a 200 and 150 when I complete training) and about 15 lights when I moved. Handful of other peripherals off eBay and I’ve been running strong 5 years and see no reason to upgrade until my 250 kicks it, at which point I’ll probably just get another 250 off eBay! I’m C4’s worst customer, set it and forget it  
 
Ultimately, they need more customers, and it seems the interest in general, seems to be slowing a bit, in my opinion.
something else that is probably still rampant is the lack of information some dealers provide the end user.  I have taken over so many jobs and added simple programming and just blew people away. Then come the questions. Can it do this/can it do that, then came some up sells, but not necessarily C4 gear.
 
anywho, goodnight 
 
 
 
 
 

All of my drivers are fully functional for a 7-day trial period

Facts are:
Control4 sold itsself because the expectations for revenue, growth and likely so market share were not met and not achievable in the future - otherwise they wouldn't have sold.

So from a simple business aspect their business model failed - that really is a fact.
The business was based on

A - dealer only
B - revenue largely based on hardware sales

So everyone can do what he wants from that but keep going like that isn't going to turn the boat around will likely lead to a slow death of the platform.


Well. Let's see what happens. I hope the platform doesn't die cause it's pretty good...

Controllers should stay out of receivers...
 
And while I like the idea of a Triad powered small format surround amp (for 'low level' surround zones) I just don't know if there's much of a market for it. Or I should say, if there's a real need for another brand of surround receivers.

If C4 is the best HA system available they wouldn't have had such a hard time to sell the company - so for anyone of those alleged 70 interested parties it obviously wasn't the best choice...

Since I don't have Pro what are the features within Pro which can be hazardous in customer hand?

Control4 went public because the primary investors wanted their money/investment back - they only choice was an IPO at the time

Exactly my saying....

Exactly my saying....

Control4 sold itsself because:

There was not the expected revenue and growth

Major shareholders wanting to cash in and they increased the pressure after stock price plummeted and Neo acquisition will cost resources.

Why did Control4s reven and growth not meet expectations?


My 2c:

1 - the dealer only model does not attract new customers. It is limiting Control4 growth - I am sure of that. It's the major thing holding Control4 back.

2 - Entry costs are still high. HW needs to be cheaper and 4sight needs to be mandatory, maybe in different levels between 50 and 200$ per year depending on project sizes

3 - Lack of innovation. OS3 took ages and Control4 still doesn't support media management via web, support of TV series and ZigBee 3 is nowhere be seen...and I am not even talking about voice recognition.....

Dealers should realize that DiY will likely make them more money in the end as it lowers the entry cost and if systems get larger they are back in the game.


So let's see what SnapAV makes out of it....

Control4 sold itsself because:

There was not the expected revenue and growth

Major shareholders wanting to cash in and they increased the pressure after stock price plummeted and Neo acquisition will cost resources.

Why did Control4s reven and growth not meet expectations?


My 2c:

1 - the dealer only model does not attract new customers. It is limiting Control4 growth - I am sure of that. It's the major thing holding Control4 back.

2 - Entry costs are still high. HW needs to be cheaper and 4sight needs to be mandatory, maybe in different levels between 50 and 200$ per year depending on project sizes

3 - Lack of innovation. OS3 took ages and Control4 still doesn't support media management via web, support of TV series and ZigBee 3 is nowhere be seen...and I am not even talking about voice recognition.....

Dealers should realize that DiY will likely make them more money in the end as it lowers the entry cost and if systems get larger they are back in the game.


So let's see what SnapAV makes out of it....

Control4 sold itsself because:

There was not the expected revenue and growth

Major shareholders wanting to cash in and they increased the pressure after stock price plummeted and Neo acquisition will cost resources.

Why did Control4s reven and growth not meet expectations?


My 2c:

1 - the dealer only model does not attract new customers. It is limiting Control4 growth - I am sure of that. It's the major thing holding Control4 back.

2 - Entry costs are still high. HW needs to be cheaper and 4sight needs to be mandatory, maybe in different levels between 50 and 200$ per year depending on project sizes

3 - Lack of innovation. OS3 took ages and Control4 still doesn't support media management via web, support of TV series and ZigBee 3 is nowhere be seen...and I am not even talking about voice recognition.....

Dealers should realize that DiY will likely make them more money in the end as it lowers the entry cost and if systems get larger they are back in the game.


So let's see what SnapAV makes out of it....