SMHarman Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 And for the dealers that feel threatened - if the perception is that this is a user friendly system then you will probably do more installs. Get people on the big stuff - don't nickel and dime for the small stuff.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkbut going around in circles here that's a dealer choice. Clearly your nickel and dime dealer is getting less recommendations than mine that does not sweat this small stuff. Sent from my LT26i using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texas3622 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Sure. And that is why some people are charging 25-40 dollars to ID a single switch (I have 80), upto 500 to install an access point etc. That's reasonable I presume? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdepaola Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Sure. And that is why some people are charging 25-40 dollars to ID a single switch (I have 80), upto 500 to install an access point etc. That's reasonable I presume? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk What's reasonable is relative, I'd say the price of many homes are not reasonable for what your getting. But other think they are and this is why they sell them. $500 for a standard wireless router is a bit much but if it's a WAP on a network with multiple access points and I'm running cat5 to the new location then no that's cheap. Everything is about scope and then it's relative to the persons income or net worth and their ability or knowledge. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Perhaps 1 of the end users here that has composer can help you for free....I'm surprised none have offered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Leeds UK Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 My point of view is simple Upgrade HE so you can add and remove devices, lock it to the MAC address of the controller. No big issue job done. Control4 get more money, shares holders are happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK1 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 My point of view is simpleUpgrade HE so you can add and remove devices, lock it to the MAC address of the controller.No big issue job done.Control4 get more money, shares holders are happy. Perfect. I would make it just give them Pro locked to controller instead of an upgrade to HE. Done. All happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMHarman Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Sure. And that is why some people are charging 25-40 dollars to ID a single switch (I have 80), upto 500 to install an access point etc. That's reasonable I presume?Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWhat is the salary of the person doing this work in your area?A good rule of thumb for professional services charge out rate is 4x salary. 1 goes in salary. 1 goes in salary overhead (medical insurance, payroll processing other insurance etc etc1 goes to general business overhead. Liability showroom and office rent 1 goes to the owner for profit and operational losses. So is the Guy that id's the switch in 15 m worth a salary of 40 an hour?Sent from my LT26i using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snaffle8 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 After 11 pages, it still comes down to choice. Control4 is a dealer installed system where the end user does not have access to the Pro software PERIOD. This may change, it may not, who knows. If you don't like the business model, don't buy the product. Sell all your gear and start over with a DIY product. There are plenty of them out there. Why is this so hard to understand? If you don't like your dealer, find another one. If there are no other dealers in your area, buy off of ebay or here and have someone off of this forum remotely program. Control4 is not the cheapest product on the market. If you can afford to buy it in the first place, then you should be able to afford to pay the freight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snaffle8 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 This thread is like telling a child that he cannot have a new toy. The child cries and cries hoping to get his way. It's been fun reading though, but we should all move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texas3622 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 You the child? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texas3622 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 It was 40 per device - ie 2000 for 2 hrs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Just to ID?.....Wowshoot me a pm....I'll be glad to assist for much less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snaffle8 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 You the child?Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI think we all know who has been whining.This topic has been rehashed so many times, it shouldn't have made it past page 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Leeds UK Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 After 11 pages, it still comes down to choice. Control4 is a dealer installed system where the end user does not have access to the Pro software PERIOD. This may change, it may not, who knows. If you don't like the business model, don't buy the product. Sell all your gear and start over with a DIY product. There are plenty of them out there.Why is this so hard to understand?If you don't like your dealer, find another one. If there are no other dealers in your area, buy off of ebay or here and have someone off of this forum remotely program.Control4 is not the cheapest product on the market. If you can afford to buy it in the first place, then you should be able to afford to pay the freight.It's not that hard, it's just some of us like to be able to add bits every now and again, without calling a dealer. Change is good, I bet you still buy CD's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdepaola Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Here's the thing, this thread would have died long ago but everyone wants to be the last to say something and throw a jab... Why does everyone get so damn defensive about the subject. Especially those who aren't dealers but argue as if they are? This is just nonsense... Don't post and this thread will die. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMHarman Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 It was 40 per device - ie 2000 for 2 hrs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkand you LIKE YOUR DEALER. All 40 at once? Then he should be billing you hourly not piece work. Sent from my LT26i using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I've got agree here... I change a bluray player maybe once ever 3-5 years and TV's about 5-8 years (maybe). Pre-amps and amps almost never, a good preamp amp or receiver should last a long time.Receivers don't last that long at all. My first receiver was bought in 2002 - prior to HDMI being readily available in AVRs. In 2006 I bought a new AVR, but it only had three HDMIs - you had to pay serious money to get more than that. So a few months ago I bought a new AVR. And the issue is that this will to likely properly support 4k and HDMI 2.0 which will soon become required. And I replace the primary TV, which is the one connected to C4, about every 2-3 years. 16 months ago I went to a Sharp 80" and in a couple of more years I could see going to a similar sized 4K TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdepaola Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Receivers don't last that long at all. My first receiver was bought in 2002 - prior to HDMI being readily available in AVRs. In 2006 I bought a new AVR, but it only had three HDMIs - you had to pay serious money to get more than that. So a few months ago I bought a new AVR. And the issue is that this will to likely properly support 4k and HDMI 2.0 which will soon become required. And I replace the primary TV, which is the one connected to C4, about every 2-3 years. 16 months ago I went to a Sharp 80" and in a couple of more years I could see going to a similar sized 4K TV.My AVR is 6 or 7 years old and going strong, had 7 HDMI inputs. I have no reason to buy a new tv when the ones I have work well and have no issues. When something dies I buy new, but that's just me. I spend my money on traveling, retirement, and good food and liquor. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Zaphod and FireM make great points. The point is, we are all different. Long story short: this is precisely why the model has to change What some dealer or guy "thinks" is best for the customer or the next guy: what they will or won't buy, or when or how often they will upgrade their TV's, or their kids move rooms etc, has nothing to do with it.. That is just the dealers personal opinion... Hasn't it occurred to you guys, that the end user might not want you (the dealer) to know when a hardware upgrade is going on in their private home? That the end user might not want you (the dealer) to express your own personal opinion on what I should or should not want to do within my house? This is precisely what get's up end users noses.. The private home is sacrosanct If you don't know what this means, then google. We call it our private home, because it's.. ummm.... supposed to be ...well.... private! What cheeses folks off is they have to make a call to dealers to have some simple little label change. I don't want my dealer to know I've got a private little room called "spanking parlour" Don't you dealer guys get this? It's ALL ABOUT PRIVACY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 ^ It's my house and my project. What I do in it is my business. Not yours. It's as simple as that! Got it? hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texas3622 Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 That is a great point. I wanted a contact sensor on my safe door so that I could get a message if someone opened it. Problem is I don't want to show anyone where that safe is and even that I have a safe,,,,? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texas3622 Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 If anyone here says that I need a better dealer - what does that have to do with anything. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHA Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Just have your dealer put it on another door. After he's gone you can rename it and move it to the other door.Infact just ask him to connect a door sensor to the input you want to use. You don't have to of physically installed it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark LaBelle Posted April 6, 2014 Author Share Posted April 6, 2014 You can't rename it with HE. Only PRO. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N900A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdepaola Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Have the dealer put in a Random Name and in a random room, you wouldn't want it named Vault anyways if your that worried about security. They never have to be at your place and it should take 1 min for him to put it in your project and identify it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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