GregCAMS

Not quite. While the bridge closes a few gaps between the x10 and x20 cameras, it (potentially) does so much more, and does more with X20 cams than x10's. If you want x20 capability, get x20 cameras, don't think the bridge is some sort of upgrade path to make X10 into x20.
 
Yes they are reliable as such but I'd stick with HIK or perhaps go Luma or Uniview on camera change. If wanting to keep old  cams, Uniview has good options for smart notifications etc in their NVRS, a better app than HIK and should be able to integrate the old cams just fine.
Current HIK NVRS aren't terrible in their smart work, but I can't say how well or poor your existing HIK cams are. If they're old 720p cameras, no smart NVR will fix that.
 
Honestly, I'd be hesitant to suggest going Clare. It's not bad stuff at all, but it's alarm panel portion has been struggling to make headway, and if one falls.....
Add that Snap has Luma as well as Clare so why keep both long term, and then add that Residio is looking to aquire Snap and is even more likely to keep only one (and Luma is more versatile).....

I have this issue too. I had no problems before the firmware update and now regularly I get this network issue. I have to leave it for 30 seconds or so and it reconnects.
 
Sometimes it reconnects and then just won’t work. it will turn the tv and source on then nothing else. You have to leave it for a few seconds for it to almost boot up and then it works again. 

I am wondering if the sleep/wake can be an option to turn on/off? I ask because my household doesn't like the 10ish second waking from sleep wait time. I know that helps with battery life, but we are in the habit of charging every day anyhow. 

Anyone having issues after the update? My remote screen occasionally does not go off like it usually does after a small amount of time if its not moved. When this happens the odd behavior also carries over to when I put the remote on the charger. The ding chime is glitchy and dings several times. A reboot of the remote usually fixes things.
Is there somewhere to report bugs to or is that done by contacting my dealer and having them submit it to control 4?

Just an update. I have Josh.ai now and Josh has some options for ducking. It can duck all, just audio, just video and disabled. This works great with Sonos for obvious reasons. To do this in one of the main rooms where I have Josh and have the Josh responses come out of the ceiling speakers while retaining C4 controlled audio on the room I am doing the following:
Gear:
Rolls Ducker Josh Core Josh Micro C4 Matrix Episode amps Config:
Micro is configured to output to Core Audio 1. Core Audio 1 is connected to Rolls Ducker Aux input Zone output from Matrix is connected to Rolls Ducker line Rolls Ducker output is connected to Episode zone input Result:
I am able to play audio to the zone from C4 as this routes correctly. When playing audio from C4 if Josh wants to respond to something the audio comes out of the Core audio 1 output and the Rolls Ducker ducks the C4 audio and plays the announcement. When the announcement is complete the Rolls Ducker passes the C4 audio. So at a small scale of 2 zones this works because I have two outputs on the Core. Since we do not have Josh native output with more than 2 outputs at the moment it would seem my only option is Sonos if and when I need to scale. Since I'm just testing the Josh system and not 100% committed yet I'm fine with the two zone limit at the moment. I'm liking the idea of Sonos in the mix, but retaining the Matrix and C4 audio so the future plan is Sonos port like functionality for each zone in place of the Josh core outputs. That can get me C4 audio, Sonos audio controlled by C4, Josh controlled Sonos audio, Josh announcement ducking for both C4 and Josh music. The Josh Sonos audio can interrupt C4 audio so for any audio announcements to come out of the speakers and work 100% of the time they would need to come from Josh.
 

a few more reference documents collected along the way.  and their blog has been a good source for me https://joshdotai.medium.com/
Lastly, their YouTube channel is decent with some new tutorials and your dealer may be able to get you links to some of the past PowerHours.  Those go in depth on some details 
 
 
announcement (1).pdf KscapePDF.pdf Aliasing-Formatting.pdf Josh FAQs.pdf motion sensors.pdf speak quietly.pdf

SCENE.pdf

New menu with what's new and release notes

$499 msrp for the Edge

lol. Josh the dog. 

awesome @Topfox if you have any findings please post.  I'll wait to see when my push.  If not by Friday will ask integrator to do the manual firmware update

Apologies for reviving an old thread. Just thought I'd mention this in a place where people interested in this topic would see it. In the latest app update we've added the option to turn off the wallpaper preview for rooms. Should be helpful for properties that don't have many room unique wallpapers. You'll find it as the 2nd row in Preferences.

document is a bit dated and may already have but sharing just in case
Josh.ai-Control4-Voice-Integration-White-Paper.pdf

essentially that's correct = josh front end and c4 supporting system similar to other systems currently in my project (i.e. Lutron, etc.).  Visiting Josh HQ with dealer in April in Denver to just get a tour/look see around and hopefully have them show firsthand the differences between the options mentioned previously.

He’s mentioned several times he wants to transition away from Control4 and into Josh only. Can’t do that while using Control4 built in audio. Something like Autonomic would be vendor agnostic and would fit the bill. 

You dont have reasons. You were sold. No worries. Enjoy the drink. 

Very good feedback and it’s very much what I would expect.

The “cleanup” is more of a reorganization or some revising of device names. For instance, initially Josh was very particular as to where the device was, vs C4 didn’t much care of you had lighting (for instance from other rooms “unhidden” in a different room), but “areas” solved that.

As for music, I struggle a bit with playing playlists. For example, it’s not intuitive at playing “My Weekend Playlist”, but I don’t have ever scenario on my main Josh (Home) - Sadly, while I’m moving to distributed audio via Mirage or Native with Sonos Port inputs, currently I have HEOS and Micros. HEOS integrates, but you’d want to authorize HEOS in Josh.

For @GregCAMS - have you tried a few Sonos Port inputs into your audio matrix? It adds additional services and tends to work well. Native is so limited today. Usable, for sure, but limited right now.

I’m glad there is all of this banter about Josh integration with Control4. I’m clear this is a Control4 forum, so I definitely don’t care to read about a stand alone Josh deployment. To be 100% transparent, I’m a Josh dealer that has never integrated a Josh system outside of Control4. I can speak to the fact that unless and until there is a real native voice solution, Josh is a fabulous addition to a Control4 system. They don’t fight each other, the synergy created in the driver is powerful for each.


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Yes, that should work fine. You should have no problems integrating into both platforms and the control for driver should recognize changes in the Roku. In terms of apps

Thanks for setting this up.  I installed my first Micro in 2020 myself in the wall and had a remote dealer out of state help with the initial setup.   It was a POE setup and must say didn't have any issues with the setup listed so far listed from the OP.  Maybe mine is an outlier perhaps, I don't know.  A few bullets from my experience based on the OP:
I have opted to make Josh the front facing UI for at least the iOS app and the remotes (AVA Touch) in guest bedrooms for about 5 months now: We (wife and I) use the 6 Micro/Nano combinations 50-75 times per day for 4 years so it's part of our normal way of interacting with the home. Replaced 3 Halo remotes with the Josh (AVA Touch) remotes in guest bedrooms; so far the guests we have had much prefer them since they are used to using phones to control their DIY devices in their own homes.  And they love the scenes function I programmed to the scene buttons with the associated iconography Josh provides Scene programming, adjusting and the visual interaction is much smoother, and engaging in our comparison (have had C4 since 2009 for reference) Scene programming is much more intuitive to program and adjust from my personal experience.  I do light programming and have done some in Composer HE and needed a dealer tutorial on a few occasions for C4.  By comparison I needed 0 for Josh and watched a 5 minute YouTube video on the scenes and natural language programming Verdict out on the remotes in common areas.  Using Halo Touch in those areas but the battery life is terrible and at least 1 remote has to be restarted on average 3-4x per week after losing connection to the project.  1 other remote was RMA'd as it stopped working 2 weeks after receipt.  I'm testing a Cinema remote next month to see how it compares and having the wife try it out since that'll have a heavy factor in deciding what path we go with it. I'd say the voice recognition and correct action has been 95% first time quality/correct.  That wasn't the case in 2020 when we got the first Micro but it is certainly the case now.  We did disable the wake beep on the Nanos but kept it on the Micros.  On the Micros we have had 0 issues keeping it enabled but the Nanos are much better without the wake beep. I really like the visibility that the web portal provides. It has been invaluable in setup, adjusting and troubleshooting on my own without having to bother/engage with my dealer (they are great and don't need me bothering them all the time!) The music is the only current issue similar to what you are experiencing.  I've sent my project into Josh to review for a short term solution.  However, I was already planning to use Autonomic starting this summer as the primary streamer for the distributed audio.  In talking with Autonomics lead engineer it will continue to work in the use case we have of programmed playlist keypads for guest bathroom zones, as well as the more ad-hoc music we use with app, voice, remote and eventually touchscreen interfaces.  The keypads with music will remain a C4/Autonomic interface for those zones I have video surround speakers in 10 zones and 16 zones of dedicated music.  In C4 I had to have separate zones (i.e. rooms) for those that had both (i.e. Living Room for everything  except music and then a Living Room Music) in C4 which is a PITA.  With Josh I didn't have to do that at all.  They are treated as 1 zone (Living Room with a Living Room Music and a Living Room Video button). Love the Home page that gives me a status of all devices and the wife loves it as you don't have to go thru multiple button/menu presses to see what is active/on.  The areas menu is better then before but not a game changer for me.  However the Scenes is awesome as well as the nested way to group areas in the portal that show up in the app.   Lastly the icons, stock photos, and photo import make the interface more refined IMO and on a similar level to that of Savant and Crestron. Support has been fantastic.  Have e-mailed support or posted on a thread in the FB communities and an answer from the company comes back within minutes or less.  Thankfully, my dealer is good and responsive on C4 issues but in firsthand observations, I've seen the extreme pain they go thru more often than not to 1) get someone from Snap on the line and 2) get a reliable answer.  The Luma NVR was a case where they had 4 different tech reps give them 4 different answers until they were able to work thru to a reliable solution. Thanks for starting this thread.  I still enjoy the reliability of Control4 and the interfaces it has for specific items and its interoperability.  After 15 years on C4 it just no longer meeting the needs for us from a user interface and quick change / flexibility standpoints.
 

Just got our demo kit and today is setup day in our control4 showroom  
 
 

Do you have an integration with Josh.ai or is this back and forth more or less just for fun?
 
Typically, in a lawsuit they throw everything they have at the wall just in case something sticks.

Thanks.  It's fun, but not terribly practical yet as the tech is still developing.  For instance you can tell it to give you license plate numbers, but it tends to hallucinate and give fake ones, even if you tell it "Provide a license plate number but only if you are SURE."  But you can see where it's going to be very cool (and intrusive). The one practical use i've found is that i've got it watching the backyard of an AirBNB to tell me if it spots two or more dogs (only one is allowed).  It's pretty good at that.

sounds like the implementation may have had issues like you mentioned which is the case I had with C4 with prior 2 integrators before the current one that has worked to fix many control4 issues over last 4.5 years.  The voice portion has greatly improved since we originally installed Micros in 2020.  In our case we use voice commands on average 50-75 times per day based on my logs. Based upon a spot check of the data in my Portal we have about a 90-95% first time quality in the microphone on the device picking up the request whether it be scene triggering, discrete single device commands, compound device commands, and GPT style voice commands.  I think Josh's foray into more control is a natural evolution and a means to grow revenue beyond a single product/service offering like any business in this era and even a push by any VC's that are funding the capital investments.  The UI experience has been much better based upon myself, wife, kids, and guests so the consensus wins here! 

sounds like the implementation may have had issues like you mentioned which is the case I had with C4 with prior 2 integrators before the current one that has worked to fix many control4 issues over last 4.5 years.  The voice portion has greatly improved since we originally installed Micros in 2020.  In our case we use voice commands on average 50-75 times per day based on my logs. Based upon a spot check of the data in my Portal we have about a 90-95% first time quality in the microphone on the device picking up the request whether it be scene triggering, discrete single device commands, compound device commands, and GPT style voice commands.  I think Josh's foray into more control is a natural evolution and a means to grow revenue beyond a single product/service offering like any business in this era and even a push by any VC's that are funding the capital investments.  The UI experience has been much better based upon myself, wife, kids, and guests so the consensus wins here! 

Yeah think the inside baseball is a good analogy.  Assume that'll get worked out since nearly all other major control platforms (Crestron, Lutron, ELAN) in addition to point solutions (Tidal, Nest, Google, Sonos, etc) are supported on that remote control platform as was just mentioned.  I don't see C4 putting development cost into voice as by many (not myself personally) as a niche market and just leverage the Alexa, Google, and Josh plaforms instead.  
I know there will be different perspectives but glad that the touchscreen does not have a far-field microphone for my specific use case.  I already have Nano and Micro devices in every zone of the home and just want to add a few touchscreens for a few spots for guest to have easy access for scenes they would not know otherwise when visiting (i.e. Great Room, Kitchen, etc.).  If they decided in a V2 to add a far field microphone with the option to disable to far-field microphone I'd be good with that similar to disabling the mic on the current hardware.
Pre-ordered the Cinema remote last week with anticipated delivery in early March to see how that goes.  Have 3 of the current models in guest rooms and based upon visitors in those rooms they loved them since they are phone app folks with their devices back at their homes.  Having the ability to have scenes in a visual format I can do without needing a dealer or effort of Composer style HE work is great and easy to swap and test within seconds.  Will see if battery life is better compared to Halo as definitely disappointed with some of the lack of functionality in Halo without doing button programming that I can already do on the Josh/Ava remote (locks, shades, fireplaces, heaters) from day 1 of receiving unit.
Biggest differentiator for our case is the UI is an order of magnitude better and the OTA updates both are detailed and frequent.  Along with that the end user customer like myself can go to a Medium Blog by the company or to their YouTube channel and review the changes and updates made. In the case of C4 I have to rely on a forum where the release notes are not published often or a change happens (like the photo icons in the iOS) with no accompanied detailed blog, video or detailed information on what updated and why.  That's a gripe but a reason for only using C4 now as a 'backbone/back office' element and not the front end UI we used to use it for those in the household and visitors.