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As long as you don't bedazzle too close to the base you should still be able to dock it.

The NEEO can also be added by the end user. 

I think the advice from the pros in the field would be that unless you're looking at Ketra specifically, that wiring for this topology is unfortunately premature. I don't know if it's premature by 24 months or 5 years, but given the supply chain antics it seems like we're a ways away from this category having enough selection to be considered mature. 

I can't imagine basing a home design on Philips Hue. That's not asking for trouble, it's demanding it. 

You can because you'll also be installing compatible controls in the room.
The issue with Hue isn't meeting code, it's reliability. 

A lot of guessing and imagining. 
Panelized lighting is an established lighting control topology. Electricians are quite comfortable with it and it meets electrical code while simplifying control for the end user. The building I'm sitting in has a 17 year old panelized lighting system. If there's power to the building it works.
I don't think I've experienced a Philips Hue system that works for more than a week without something flaking out. 
You might be well served to look into Ketra. It functions along some of the same lines as Philips Hue, but with the reliability of panelized lighting. 

I can't imagine basing a home design on Philips Hue. That's not asking for trouble, it's demanding it. 

Let’s keep things civil and minimize the shitposting, name calling, etc.
yes it sucks @msgreenf can’t provide any more info. Let’s infer from that post that he’s under an NDA and can’t share any more details. Can’t blame him for that. I wish I knew more info too, I have ra3 gear sitting in a box waiting to be installed by my dealer. And he won’t provide any more info either. So that’s just where we are. At least we can be happy knowing that a driver is in the works and it’s being tested. Fingers crossed it’s not too much longer before it’s released.
also, @msgreenf’s posts are super short and to the point, but keep in mind that he responds to 90% of the threads on here and is a huge resource for the community. So I would imagine the guy has to keep things short just to keep up.

I can't imagine basing a home design on Philips Hue. That's not asking for trouble, it's demanding it. 

LMAO don't ever offer to work for free. That being said, you have to be a dealer to send people to training so your only pathway is to get hired first and train second. 

In theory, yes. In practice that might be another matter. Not all products have great drivers. Bluesound, so far, has been a terrific platform and allows control, content browsing, grouping in sessions, etc. Bang & Olufsen is sort of OK, and at least mapped their "Join" command so you can add and drop rooms without the sessions proxy. Naim was basically non-functional when I tried it and it doesn't seem to have gotten any better. 

This is the biggest part - do not configure it as a secondary zap, but as a full server/coordinator!

I wouldn't bother. What are you hoping to get from the integration?

Luma is junk. Nice for the dealer, because easy for them to support, bad for you.  Almost anything else is better. 

araknis for the routers/ switches is fine.  Would avoid araknis APs. 

A lie that continues to be told by C4 dealers.

I know nothing about reading this stuff.
But, they also bought Staub Electronics and Access Networks (Net cash used for investing in 2021  increased by 27,817,000).  Not sure if this also affects some of the numbers you're quoting.. But it would definitely impact the on-hand cash they have..  Also, Net sales increased 24% to $1,008.0 million from $814.1 million . So they're definitely selling more.  That excludes the impact of sales caused by COVID (many people didn't want installers in their property during covid) And the impact of stock shortages which are a big issue in the electronics industry for most companies.  The new releases also seem to complete the last critical features (even new features like multi-display manager greatly expand the market Control4 can sell to).  Dunno if you're being sarcastic, but the 24% increase in sales in particular to me suggests that shows that yes, they ARE doing well..

I'm very interested in systems that have more than one streaming ecosystem at play. 
We go to great pains to unify the various rooms, but oftentimes an Arc or Beam are ideal for some use cases and a matrix and amplifiers work better for the rest of the house and never the tween shall meet. 
Obviously if rooms aren't adjacent or client interest isn't a factor we can splinter, but it would be great to have the sort of sound bar solution that Savant offers.

Lol, no it's fairly popular! It also has my favorite multiroom feature - "join" which just roams the network to join ongoing sessions and makes a great hard-key button on a keypad. 
For two channel I have BeoLab 9s and BeoLab 3s with some BeoLab 6002s in a closet waiting for some future use. Then I have a BeoPlay A6, BeoPlay M5, BeoSound 1, and BeoSound 2 around the house.

You've either misread my comment or are looking for a reason to be pissy (this is a forum, so I assume the latter). I'm comparing my experience as a dealer to strangers on an internet forum, NOT to my clients. My clients ARE my business and success is the sum total of their satisfaction, just as my woes are the sum total of their dissatisfaction. Often times I find myself more genuinely frustrated or upset over matters of system performance than my clients. This is because they trust me to find a solution when I don't have as much trust in the manufacturer whose products are at issue. 

if you look at those in that Discord channel + those here I am still certain that population is in the VAST minority.

Ok, I see the distinction you're making that wasn't captured in my earlier comments: that you're not talking about the end user necessarily, but a hypothetical dealer that will see a value in a hypothetical open source solution and will bring it into their portfolio as an offering to their clients. Ok. 
Here's why that's almost certainly less plausible:
As a dealer the 1 single NON NEGOTIABLE attribute to anything I sell is reliability. This has many constituent components: the reliability of the hardware and software, the training and support materials available, and the backing of the company to support me as a dealer. I want to sell a product that's backstopped and guaranteed by a manufacturer I can trust. It's why I'd sell Lutron over Vantage, Sony over LG, and on and on. Maybe a Vantage dimmer is a nice piece of hardware and so is a Lutron dimmer, but one company will send a technician if all else fails and make sure my system works if there's a real ghost in the machine. Sony will cover out of warranty repairs. LG barely covers in-warranty. It's all part of the calculation.
SO! What does that mean? It means that the second an open-source platform becomes viable and receives VC to push it across the threshold it will pull up the drawbridge behind it to make sure that it can start to make guarantees, limit liability, and maintain fiduciary responsibility as it grows. It means that the condition of an open-source platform and one that's reliable enough to tempt a dealer to sell it are practically exclusive conditions. 
The only company I've ever seen persist in this state of tension (and it's not an identical situation) is Ubiquiti. It's a product anyone can buy for the same price, offers no direct support, relies on a user base to communicate and develop expertise, and competes at a price point that's hard to beat. 
Now before you say, "Well see! that's what I mean!" you have to understand that the second Luxl or Araknis or Access Networks or whomever can come close to those features and prices (TP Link is almost there) with any kind of margin and support then they're toast. We have a saying that applies to things like Sonos and Ubiquiti - sell it tonight and hate yourself in the morning. 
So I get what you're saying - I think - but it's a condition that's almost impossible in the real world because of all of the incentive directions operating around it. 

Yep, because that's exactly how hundreds of millions of Android users encounter and live with those products. 😆  Whatever you can do with in the Android space that you can't do in the Apple space is irrelevant when the majority of the user base will only ever experience a fully finished, tested, and supported product.
The point we're all trying to get across to you is that there are distinct and (mostly) non-overlapping audiences for these types solutions. Neither one is ever likely to overtake the other. The most frustrated Control4 client in the world would still probably never embrace an open source version and vice versa. The permeability between the two types of experiences just isn't significant enough to allow much influence. 
After this many pages of goofy arguments I'm not sure how many more ways this can be communicated.  

Regardless of whether I'd prefer it or not, it seems that it'll just scale with cost and access. The collateral costs of deploying hardware versus signing into something hosted on AWS doesn't compare and Cloud services lend themselves to recurring revenue which is the emerging frontier of nearly everything.

This is ABSOLUTELY a thing. No denying it. But my point is that many of these clients would use a series of non-interacting products or sandbox systems before embracing (or having it embraced on their behalf by an adventurous programmer) an open-source system. 
And I think it's these little "game of thrones" style alliances that pose a more compelling threat. It's easier for someone to say that they just don't need a thermostat to talk to a music system than it is to find someone willing to set up a Raspberry Pi to make them do it. 
If you take one of our systems today versus one from five years ago you'll absolutely see a shift toward robust sub-systems and away from an all Control4 type solution.
To be clear, playing for the home team means I likely have 10x the complaints about Control4, can communicate them more precisely, and am more frustrated by them than you. After all it's my livelihood. But as I look out on the landscape I still feel Control4 is the best of breed and best positioned to evolve in a way that continues to show value to my clients and support my business. 
All this is to say that if Control4 crashes and burns it won't have anything to do with HomeKit or Home Assistant or IFTTT or whatever else is out there. It'll be because Lutron and Sonos work together.

Yawn.  All was well until someone here decided to revive a 2yr old thread.