ejn1 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 29 minutes ago, JSTRONG said: I think the driver is not in the c4 database. I believe you get that from josh Yeah, i saw it was downloadable. Seems like a really cool system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdepaola Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 You can get starred for under $1000 Did they lower pricing in the last 3-4 months. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejn1 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Just now, cdepaola said: Did they lower pricing in the last 3-4 months. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro It looks like a 1 unit, 1 room, 1 year license can get you under that amount. It depends on your ability to live with a smaller system or not. Looks like a really cool system and maybe worth a try in one room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ドロップパケット Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 This looks interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSTRONG Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, ejn1 said: It looks like a 1 unit, 1 room, 1 year license can get you under that amount. It depends on your ability to live with a smaller system or not. Looks like a really cool system and maybe worth a try in one room. No. Not correct. 5 rooms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSTRONG Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 There is no 1 room license. Minimum is 5 then 15 then unlimited rooms. then there is - 1year , 5 year and lifetime license Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSTRONG Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Ike I said. Under a $1000 for 5 rooms of control try it for a year. Once you live with it you will get more micros and more years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejn1 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, JSTRONG said: No. Not correct. 5 rooms but 5 rooms (eg 5 devices) + a 5 room license is waaaay over $1000.... I guess 1 device plus a 5 room license is around that mark but sucks paying for a 5 room license with only 1 device. Plus when you just "start" off with the starter kit, you are really locking into a minimum of $400/yr in licensing fees unless you buy down multiple years up front. Not knocking it at all... to the contrary it looks like a sweet setup but i wouldn't pitch it as inexpensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l3anks Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, ejn1 said: but 5 rooms (eg 5 devices) + a 5 room license is waaaay over $1000.... I guess 1 device plus a 5 room license is around that mark but sucks paying for a 5 room license with only 1 device. You can also control devices via the Josh app. Agree, doesn't make a lot of sense with 1 device + C4. You would likely want multiple micros in your project. I'm a new JoshAI dealer and can help get pricing if anyone is interested. JSTRONG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSTRONG Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 And the Josh app rocks! it is much nicer then Control4 app IMO I have a nearly 6000 Sq Ft home with 3 Micros. Master Br, Kitchen and my office. Its great because whatever micro you are near it will control only that room unless you tell it otherwise. I will be adding more micros eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejn1 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 14 minutes ago, JSTRONG said: And the Josh app rocks! it is much nicer then Control4 app IMO I have a nearly 6000 Sq Ft home with 3 Micros. Master Br, Kitchen and my office. Its great because whatever micro you are near it will control only that room unless you tell it otherwise. I will be adding more micros eventually. dont have to sell me on it it looks awesome... maybe the early adopters will get it off the ground so it can be more accessible to more homes costs wise. I love the idea of no sharing of data and privacy.... It's the reason I dont have a single alexa or google mic in my house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSTRONG Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 From my understanding , the price point is not going down at all. Its certainly a luxury item and it is not for everyone. Just like Control4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejn1 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 hour ago, JSTRONG said: From my understanding , the price point is not going down at all. Its certainly a luxury item and it is not for everyone. Just like Control4 Any system with a cost base largely driven by recovering R&D costs, system/digital development, AI vs tons of hardware expense likely will come down some as these companies need volume to make money. Once you make these investments in software, app, AI etc, the costs are sunk and the next sale costs them very little so volume pushes them towards profitability.... Doesn't mean it wont always be a luxury item but I would think early adopters will fund a disproportionate amount of the start up costs. Just an opinion of course! cdepaola and Neo1738 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo1738 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 10/15/2020 at 9:18 PM, ejn1 said: Any system with a cost base largely driven by recovering R&D costs, system/digital development, AI vs tons of hardware expense likely will come down some as these companies need volume to make money. Once you make these investments in software, app, AI etc, the costs are sunk and the next sale costs them very little so volume pushes them towards profitability.... Doesn't mean it wont always be a luxury item but I would think early adopters will fund a disproportionate amount of the start up costs. Just an opinion of course! Look at Tesla as a perfect example. Makes a more expensive Model S and X and Roadster so they can fine tune and get costs down for a more affordable Model 3. ejn1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejn1 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 I was almost there in trying this out but I struggled to get invested into a system with a $400/yr recurring fee. I hope it's a big success as I absolutely hate the idea of letting amazon or google into my home with an open mic. Would rather walk over and press a button instead Köhler Medientechnik 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 21 hours ago, ejn1 said: I was almost there in trying this out but I struggled to get invested into a system with a $400/yr recurring fee. I hope it's a big success as I absolutely hate the idea of letting amazon or google into my home with an open mic. Would rather walk over and press a button instead Sad thing is, the data mazon/Google gets on you is worth a multitude of 400/y Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSTRONG Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 It’s much less then $400 per year if you go with 5 years or a lifetime license Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdepaola Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, JSTRONG said: It’s much less then $400 per year if you go with 5 years or a lifetime license Someone is getting smoke blown up their @r$e... The numbers I was quoted in the last 3 months did not get me "Much less" then $400 a year with a 5 year license... Unless your definition of "Much Less" is very strange... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejn1 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, Cyknight said: Sad thing is, the data mazon/Google gets on you is worth a multitude of 400/y yep, scary when you think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopedogg88 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Here is MSRP Pricing for Josh: Micros are $600 each 5-room license is $400/year, or $1500 for 5 years (so $300/year), or $4000 for a lifetime license ($/year depends on how long you live ) 15-room license is $800/year, or $2500 for 5 years, or $8000 lifetime Unlimited room license is $1200/year, or $5500 for 5 years, or $12,000 lifetime Again, those are MSRP prices, I typically discount off of that depending on purchase size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSTRONG Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 And that is MSRP. if your nice to ARi, you might save some $$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdepaola Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 I guess the point I was trying to make was that not everyone here buys from Ari and not every dealer discounts off MSRP... I'd argue that many don't... But by implying what costs "may" be could be detrimental to users and dealers alike. This is why most forums discourage or even prohibit pricing discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinom Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Is a dealer required for programming Josh? Can Composer HE be used for the C4 side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopedogg88 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Yes HE can be used on the C4 side. End user can program in the Josh side. Sent from my SM-G986U using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 21 hours ago, chopedogg88 said: Here is MSRP Pricing for Josh: Micros are $600 each 5-room license is $400/year, or $1500 for 5 years (so $300/year), or $4000 for a lifetime license ($/year depends on how long you live ) 15-room license is $800/year, or $2500 for 5 years, or $8000 lifetime Unlimited room license is $1200/year, or $5500 for 5 years, or $12,000 lifetime Again, those are MSRP prices, I typically discount off of that depending on purchase size. Also depends on how long Josh lives as it probably has a shorter life expectancy than most people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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