rocky350z

I have three Modern Form Fans and going to buy another.  As stated, they are incredibly quiet.  Occasionally you can find them on sale on Amazon.

I have a Neeo Control4 Silver remote for sale.  Comes with all original box, accessories and packing.  Asking $500

I've got a beta from our developer that's currently about to be sent out to our testers. Assuming there's no major issues it should be released in the next few weeks.

I looked at Savant prior to installing Control4 for 2 different dealers.  Both said even if I wanted a simple change, far less then what can be done in HE, there was a charge.  They both told me I could not change a single thing without them.  I am very happy I went with Control4 and have talk to some great very helpful people on this forum.  

So, I'm seeing a bit of info which imho is a bit wrong (but keep in mind, I don't work for snap)
Control4 notified installers about the HC800's getting depreciated at least 2 months ago (https://tech.control4.com/s/feed/0D51T00009uoZHKSA2).. I responded here to a post too, warning they were EOL a month ago: https://www.c4forums.com/forums/topic/41118-markets-for-old-c4-gear/#comment-317267 . HC800 is actually almost 11 years old now (Jan 2012 was the launch) Replacing a HC800 Primary requires a Core3 or Core 5 regardless, and you'd just move the devices to the ports on the new controller (unless you plan to add MORE IR devices simultaneously?) In 2012, the most common use-case for IR was TV's, or set top boxes. These days, most things (including TV's) are IP.  The mobile app still works even with OS3.0.0. You just don't get new features Control4 specified that the HC800 architecture is different to other controllers, and they would need to maintain a completely separate build for them. Even if they turned them into a glorified IO Extender, they would still need their QA team testing them every release, help installers with the driver and to develop a migration process. And this work would consume a huge amount of resources with marginable benefit.  Remember development isn't free, and even turning them into an IO extender, or supporting new updates (if even possible) to benefit a handful of people who may use them as an io extender, would slow down development of more important features. Developers can either work on the HC800 firmware, or they can work on other things.. They can't do both In fact, even the Gen 1 Hue Bridge was released after the HC800, and support was canned 2 years ago. And the Hue bridge is a simple, dedicated device (a lot less complex than a Control4 controller). 2012 iPhones ended support 2017. 2012 Mac computer support ended years ago, and Windows 11 only supports 8000 series processors (launched 5 years ago). Another example is Sonos also didn't support S2 on products, which were being sold still in 2015 (a year before HC800 stopped being sold). S2 was released in 2020. Intel are no longer supporting the hardware, and the CPU's are missing a lot of important extensions which I'm guessing will be needed increasingly in the future (like AES)   And finally, all this assumes that any custom kernel modules and such being used on the HC800 are being actively supported too (which is plausible).  Negotiations with companies like Apple may even require certain security requirements/extensions for certain services (or there could be consequences for being unable to secure them properly). Which again, would cause major chaos with development. They might even have to offer drivers which would simply be broken on some controllers.    
The question is, should SnapAV continue developing firmware for a controller which was released with OS2.2 (a year before TuneIN Support), and move some developers (even for a few months only) from working on other features (like improved lighting, improved voice control and new remotes), to support new firmware or IO on a 10 year old controller (which they likely couldn't fully keep secure in the future anyway, without microcode updates from intel)? I'd argue it probably doesn't make much sense.. Almost no 10 year old hardware is being actively supported by vendors anymore, and in the computer industry, 10 years of support is practically unheard of (even datacentres are using CPU's from only 4 or 5 years ago, and only for Mainframes I'm guessing, it might be different). 
 
 

The same that was echoed numerous times in the conversation - no-one is forced to update, so no-one is forced to buy new hardware.
So if you're not willing to spend money to go to a Core-5 at this time ... don't.
 
We have numerous systems running older versions perfectly fine, and we fully support them as far as we can. If new features aren't worth the cost of replacing a decade old controller..., don't update. I fail to see why that is such a huge concern. 🤷‍♂️

but can you upgrade that windows 95 computer to windows 11?
This is no different, you can conitnue to listen to music with that controller but can't ugpade it.

Here is my two cents from a end user that prewired for a three story townhome with 5 tv locations.
I ran tubes to each tv location for future proofing.  I also have an equipment rack in a central location. In each tube I eventually ran 3 cat 6, and a coax.  In addition to the master location I ran Fiber.  (This is to play the central located Xbox) I ran Cat6 (dual runs)  also to locations where I though I would have computer, i.e. 2 locations (4 total lines) in the office, 1 in each bedroom, 1 to the garage. (Remember the cat6 is cheep to run up front, nor so much afterwards 3 cat 6 for access points on each level for WIFI (3 total runs) 1 cat6 to the door bell (For chime) 1 cat 6 to the porch for a camera 1 cat 6 to over the garage door for a camera If you are even thinking about touch screens in the rooms prewire now I have security run to each of the windows and touch panels in the master and by the garage door (This cam with the house standard so I did not have much input) Here was my one MISTAKE, I have 23 automated blinds all run by batter.  I HIGHLY suggest you run a low voltage 12V line to EVERY window. I promise you will not regret it if you are considering automated blinds 1 have 9 speaker locations.  Main theater/Living area, dining, kitchen, garage, 3 bedrooms, porch, and master bath.  All pre wired back to the equipment rack. (The theater/living is all wired back to the equipment closet for in wall and ceiling speakers, as well as floor standing and 2 subs.  I eventually went with floor standing and subs with ceiling, but the in-wall is still there if I ever want to get ride of the floor standing) I think that was everything I pre ran.  For each room I did not go with a touch screen (wire is there for future) but went with a keypad.  I have 2 gang in most rooms, some have three.  I am slowly adding to my system but this is my plan for each room.
Every room has recessed lights which are being switched the Philips Hue, I already have Somfy blinds (with the Bond Pro for control) in each room, and Samsung TVs (Q60s and Q80s for IP control) with Roku's for app control, I plan to add Modern Forms Fans for IP control, and each room has or is prewired for ceiling speakers.
1st switch is a Dimmer (that is going to be programed as always on (For Hue Lights). Top button, turns light on warm, touch again cold light, touch again cycle through colors. Bottom will turn off.
2nd switch is a Keypad:
1 - Fan (Cycle speeds, press hold off, light to show speed  on/off) 2 - Shades (Cycle, preset open, full open, closed) 3 - TV (Cycle preset, i.e. spectrum, Netflix, YouTube, press hold off) 4 - Audio (In Ceiling Speakers, cycle through preset with color notification) 5 - room off 6 - arrows - volume A lot of what I am doing is still some work in progress, but this is from a end user that uses the system everyday. Please feel free to reach out if you have any questions.  Just remember prewire EVERYTHING you might possible want, the worst case is a wire stays behind the dry wall.  
Rocky

A lie that continues to be told by C4 dealers.

I use plex for that exact purpose.  The added benefit is it works across multiple platforms.

The ads don’t worry me at all.  But happy to pay $10 per annum!

Would love a FAQ/BEST Practices section that newbies could be directed to, rather than rehash it each time.
Dedicated threads or guides for things like MyQ, AppleTV, 4sight, composer, etc.

Figured I'd post my satisfaction with a recent integration. Have 8 flameless candles on my porch that natively run on IR (which is unreliable given a fireplace, line-of-sight limits, etc.). Thought about Z2IO but didn't want to have wires across the floor (either for power or connectivity). Searched for an RF alternative product but no dice -- so made my own...
Already had a Bond Bridge, so bought a few ($11/each) 433mhz receivers on Amazon and built/hid three of them into the candles themselves (soldered to PCB) while running small wires out for nearby control. Totally invisible and finally have these things on scene and discrete control via keypad and phone! At some point I may have to wire a photosensor to establish state, but for now, the 433mhz is so reliable the variable stays true.
Pics for clicks, ha:

Wouldn't be cheap, but an OLED "keypad" would be pretty cool to have as an option. It would be nice to program/change the "button" names as you wish and have more dynamic A/V controls. Could see it being a more keypad-oriented version of the Neeo interface--very similar size too--which would be good for areas with heavy A/V use. 

Yes correct, Just HDMI overlay.  It would be nice to see push notifications while I am watching a movie or TV.  Also could this include sports scores, Camera overlay if the Chime doorbell is activated. etc.?

Thank you, I had to order a USB to Ethernet for my laptop so I will try this Wednesday evening.

Hi, I have had Somfy blinds in my house for a couple of years.  Actually a total of 23 of them.  I control them through my control4 although I opted to use the Mylink controller.  Because they can only control 16 blinds I have 2 controllers in my house.  They have work with very little problems including setting up scenes. 
 

I did all my speaker runs like mujtaba.khokhar.  I also used patch panels for every cat6 and control line (which I also ran cat6).  On the sides of the rack I used cable guides where I ran extra loops so the rack stayed neat and clean but had a little room to play with. All cat 6 run through the channels on the right.  All power through the channel on the left. plenty of extra to slide the unit out of the closet to work on.
 

I looked at Savant prior to installing Control4 for 2 different dealers.  Both said even if I wanted a simple change, far less then what can be done in HE, there was a charge.  They both told me I could not change a single thing without them.  I am very happy I went with Control4 and have talk to some great very helpful people on this forum.  

I looked at Savant prior to installing Control4 for 2 different dealers.  Both said even if I wanted a simple change, far less then what can be done in HE, there was a charge.  They both told me I could not change a single thing without them.  I am very happy I went with Control4 and have talk to some great very helpful people on this forum.