msgreenf Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 and it's polling based - so it's meh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTMatthew Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Is indoor plumbing being lapped by pissing in the woods? Topspin14m and HRT 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Control4Savant Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 minute ago, CTMatthew said: Is indoor plumbing being lapped by pissing in the woods? With as much as you have to fix HA…its more like just pissing yourself and changing pants every time. CTMatthew, therockhr and tmj4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTMatthew Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Anyone making an obsolescence argument against Control4 in favor of Home Assistant or open source platforms in general sounds like a cult member. It's a perfectly viable hobby, but I don't come from my woodcarving retreat and ponder aloud, "what are furniture stores going to do when this catches on!?" Get a hold of yourselves. crazybuppie, RyanE and OceanDad 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Control4Savant Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 minute ago, CTMatthew said: Anyone making an obsolescence argument against Control4 in favor of Home Assistant or open source platforms in general sounds like a cult member. It's a perfectly viable hobby, but I don't come from my woodcarving retreat and ponder aloud, "what are furniture stores going to do when this catches on!?" Get a hold of yourselves. Agreed. I do have a Mac Mini as a host for Savant and a Mac Mini as a HA server on the same self in my rack. A dual of fates for sure. I always feel like I should join the YouTubed crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therockhr Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, CTMatthew said: Anyone making an obsolescence argument against Control4 in favor of Home Assistant or open source platforms in general sounds like a cult member. It's a perfectly viable hobby, but I don't come from my woodcarving retreat and ponder aloud, "what are furniture stores going to do when this catches on!?" Get a hold of yourselves. The answer to this thread is no, Control4 is not getting lapped by open source solutions. But to think that a community based project couldnt eventually do it is silly. The community based projects biggest strength and weakness will be that it tries to do too much because it needs to fit so many people's use cases. So in the end it will do a lot of things pretty good but none great. Control4 and other commercial products strength and weakness will be that it only supports a sub set of devices and integrations but will do them very well. I have always felt that Control4 has done the best of the home automation companies at trying to create really good 3rd party support for popular devices. RyanE, CTMatthew, tmj4 and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnpublic Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 3 hours ago, backball said: I'm building up a Home Assistant instance and love it. Long time C4 user but the dependency on a dealer doesn't work for me - anymore. I love the C4 matrix amp and have full control over it from HA - thanks to another user who built a custom integration for it. You made the point "It will control all of your C4 lights and switches (there's an integration that takes 30 seconds to install by clicking a UI button)". Are you talking about the official C4 integration on home assistant (i.e. https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/control4/)? Yep, it'll get all your lights. As you've learned, though - everything else requires some other approach. Yeah, it's not "official" from the C4 side, but it's definitely the "official" one from the HA side.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 On 11/26/2020 at 1:01 PM, zaphod said: So if you want to stay current you will have to spend at least a few thousand rebuying that stuff each decade. But this is true of every single 'DIY' option as well. Wifi bulbs? WEP/WPA1 and likely not long from now WPA2 are going to be obsolete and not supported on Wifi - replace your bulbs. You current computer is no longer able to run the overarching software, or is at best unsafe to do so. Your hub/bridge/device wont be updated and can't support new features (or additional hardware) or will even get killed off (Sonos first gen, Hue bridge v1 coming up (down?) in 2 weeks) for many of it's features at least, if not completely. Oh, and it doesn't need to be a 'few thousand' : that will depend a LOT on the setup, plus there's a more or less permanent discount program in place for older systems getting hardware upgrades with C4 (and others). CTMatthew 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnpublic Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 hours ago, CTMatthew said: Anyone making an obsolescence argument against Control4 in favor of Home Assistant or open source platforms in general sounds like a cult member. It's a perfectly viable hobby, but I don't come from my woodcarving retreat and ponder aloud, "what are furniture stores going to do when this catches on!?" Get a hold of yourselves. Something for you to consider - when people lash out, it's usually because they feel threatened. therockhr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 hours ago, CTMatthew said: Is indoor plumbing being lapped by pissing in the woods? LOL CTMatthew 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnpublic Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 3 hours ago, msgreenf said: and it's polling based - so it's meh Eh - in a couple years' worth of use, it's proven to be exactly as stable as C4 lighting (quite stable), and far more stable than, say, a DS2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Eh - in a couple years' worth of use, it's proven to be exactly as stable as C4 lighting (quite stable), and far more stable than, say, a DS2.Not even sure how a ds2 is relevant to lighting. Polling has nothing to do with stability. It's not real time. Sent from my Pixel 6 Pro using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mujtaba.khokhar Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I really don't want to sound like the guy (wapping?) who used to rant here on this topic, but as I plan a new house build (really, a semi-custom home where I bought early enough to get whatever i want put into the walls), and am choosing whether to go with C4 again, I'm struck by how far the open source stuff like Home Assistant has come in terms of functionality, user interface, and ability to tie together tons of different hardware into a pretty seamless experience - for about half the cost. In my current C4 house, I put in a "shadow" Home Assistant server running on a cheap raspberry PI and it is at least as functional as C4, with lots of things C4 can't do, or at least do easily. And the interface is miles better. It's not for everyone, because you are basically DIY'ing some server software, so there will always be people that just want some functionality in their house and will leave it to a dealer. But certainly every non-dealer that has found and used this site is capable of doing the setup and integration. And you have tons of control - much better use of presence detection, cameras, weather stations, to do different automations, etc. Just don't see how one company on a closed ecosystem can keep up. Anyways, just something on my mind. I promise that I won't post this over and over like we've seen in the past. No it’s not. Thanks for reading Muj Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk CTMatthew 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnpublic Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 24 minutes ago, msgreenf said: Not even sure how a ds2 is relevant to lighting. Polling has nothing to do with stability. It's not real time. Sent from my Pixel 6 Pro using Tapatalk I thought you were somehow suggesting that pollling is less reliable, sorry I misunderstood. Real time? That is a meaningless argument, unless you are changing your light levels every few seconds. When you effect a change in the HA interface, it takes place immediately, and the UI updates immediately. Maybe you should actually try the integration, then toss off your rejoinders. Until then? as you say, meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnpublic Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 15 minutes ago, mujtaba.khokhar said: No it’s not. Thanks for reading Muj Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk this is a 1.5 year old post you are responding to. Perhaps it bothers you more than you'd like to admit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mujtaba.khokhar Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 this is a 1.5 year old post you are responding to. Perhaps it bothers you more than you'd like to admit.Lol I didn’t even realise Just saw it and felt like adding in my 2 pence. Carry on Muj Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk CTMatthew 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnpublic Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 33 minutes ago, RyanE said: LOL I'm looking forward to next week's earnings call. I'm sure the massive losses have stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 13 minutes ago, wnpublic said: I'm looking forward to next week's earnings call. I'm sure the massive losses have stopped. Not sure how my thinking something is funny will affect that. As an employee, I can't comment on anything regarding stock price, or how the company "is doing". RyanE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj4 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 17 minutes ago, mujtaba.khokhar said: adding in my 2 pence. As an American, never even thought this would be 'translated' differently elsewhere in the world other than 2 cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mujtaba.khokhar Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 As an American, never even thought this would be 'translated' differently elsewhere in the world other than 2 centsLol Go figure Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Cyknight said: Oh, and it doesn't need to be a 'few thousand' : that will depend a LOT on the setup, plus there's a more or less permanent discount program in place for older systems getting hardware upgrades with C4 (and others). Doesn't one EA-3 and a touch screen get you into the few thousand category? And if you have multiple controllers it will be more, especially if you need them as an audio source since the EA-1 didn't really have an audio source. It is good to see that is changing with the next gen of controllers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 48 minutes ago, wnpublic said: I thought you were somehow suggesting that pollling is less reliable, sorry I misunderstood. Real time? That is a meaningless argument, unless you are changing your light levels every few seconds. When you effect a change in the HA interface, it takes place immediately, and the UI updates immediately. Maybe you should actually try the integration, then toss off your rejoinders. Until then? as you say, meh. I'll stick to everything in the ecosystem I am in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTMatthew Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Some folks' experience with this stuff doesn't extend past their own front door. We're a very successful C4 showroom and if I told one of my clients to access the GUI on their Raspberry Pi they'd say, "hold on, let me get to the kitchen..." As has been established, it's a hobby for some folks and has no more bearing on Control4 than a pair of roller skates does to Audi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnpublic Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, msgreenf said: I'll stick to everything in the ecosystem I am in. Cool cool. Maybe stick to what you actually know then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTMatthew Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, wnpublic said: Cool cool. Maybe stick to what you actually know then. We're all pretty familiar with DIY stuff and many of us make a handsome living rescuing people from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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