Time2Jet

There are reasons beyond speed to upgrade to core.  The new Zigbee and Zwave chips are huge

core1 issues you are talking about are fixed in 3.3.3

See attached pictures.  The key to this installation was using a 45 degree extrusion (https://www.richelieu.com/ca/en/category/lighting-solutions-and-accessories/led-lighting-and-profiles/led-profiles-and-accessories/led-profiles/45-corner-profile-for-led-tape-light/1169955/sku-30142010) screwed into the underside of the bullnose.  This provided a clean and consistent location for the LED tape to be installed.

fyi - bought one TS - easy process, super quick shipping, everything in great shape - thanks time2jet!

Neil is beloved around here.  If you’ve worked with him you know.  I’ve only dealt with him on a dealer to dealer basis, but he was a real solid gentleman and it was always nice to run across someone he’s worked with.  The allegiance is palpable.  

Hmmm.  Uncertain about that.  Neil forgot to make it to bourbon night last time....

Look at Shelly 

I’ve a long history of complaints and mounting frustrations from my 3x Neeo’s, rarely used them because of these issues, decided to take another step towards fixing things, reading and spending time on UniFi forums, I toke one of their Early access Firmware releases 6.5.33 -> 6.5.37, zero tweaks, Neeo’s are connected and remain connected for 2-3 weeks now! Never happened before!
Conclusions, you need a networking and RF PhD to have Neeo’s work, but when they do it’s a bless!

I think like everything it matters on what is important to you. For example we initially didn't do automatic blinds in the upstairs bedrooms and quickly added them after (luckily my installer preran a bunch of extra cat5e into the attic). Also if you do whole home audio I think video distribution is a very nice to have. I can play my show and if I need to run to another room for a couple minutes I quickly add the audio to the zones and I'm off. I can listen to the TV in any room. We also have a large kitchen and den off the kitchen, without adding the kitchen zone to the den zone I couldn't hear the TV from the kitchen. 

I never thought I would need motion sensors but man you put them in the right spots (especially stairs, bathrooms, etc) and it's so convenient. Also we do when night time the light turns on to like 25% so you don't get blinded at night. Works so well when integrated properly. 
I think some form of voice is helpful (alexa turn on breakfast, dinner, cooking, entertain, etc) is so quick and easy. I can get lights on without taking stuff out of my hands and walking to the TS or my phone or a switch. 

Bond bridge only necessary if you have devices that don't integrate to C4 naturally and do work with bond. 
I also agree in the end that AV integration and being able to combine all the features (lights, AV, shades, door locks, etc) into 1 automation is pretty sweet. Doorbell pressed, pauses my tv changes input to the NVR doorbell cam, if night turns on lights to the front door, turns porch light from 30% (normal night mode) to 100% on a timer to go back after 5 min etc. If "bedtime" is active doorbell does not turn all that on just goes through the phones and TS as normal. 

Video distribution is a luxury and anywhere we can integrate it, we do.  
 
1.  No local equipment allows for a clean installation.  Often, there are zones that you “can’t” hide local equipment (bathrooms, kitchens, etc). 

2.  Minimizes the number of required sources  Roku, Shield, ATV & Plex aren’t crazy expensive sources, but if you add a Kaleidescape or NVR it feels necessary.  Same with rented cable boxes, etc.  
3.  Allows for each display to play the same source (watching the big game while cooking or cleaning the house).  Also great for a party/entertaining with music. All screens can show track playing and cover art for instance.  
 
4.  Allows for an NVR programmatically to display cameras upon a certain event.  (ie Doorbell press, line crossed, motion sensed). The Snapshot and Room Control Drivers make this pretty simple.  (ie - pause what the display is playing, show the camera or cameras for 15 seconds return to source and pick up where the room was left).  There are ways to do Cameras (OSD via Controllwr behind each display), but it’s limited to Camera sharing and gets very expensive. 
 
5. Lastly, we distribute audio as a standard.  Aside from cost (which in many cases can be justified - see above), it’s equally a quasi-necessary integration.  And there is always the general fact that you have now a deeper smart integration, which is what we all strive for …budget willing. 
 

Since you are using the contacts you are good.  C4 can no longer access the MyQ API due to the greed of Chamberlain.
Most useful automation - turn on lights when the garage door opens, either in the garage, or in the house as you can have a "Welcome Home" routine that turns the TV on to your favourite channel, and turns on lights, etc.
You can send a warning at 10pm that you left the garage door open - you could even have it close at that time if open.
You could play a notification in the house over all zones when the garage door opens.  If it is your husband coming home your boyfriend could sneak out that back door.

No there isn’t, regarding your audio question.
WN just likes to be negative for anything on this site.  I’ve learned to just look over his posts.
Audio and Video distribution still has a mainstay in my business.

I guess mnay is referring to a couple of years ago when I was helping him out and he requested that I send him an invoice for a couple of Neeos (which were almost impossible to get at the time), and I quoted him I believe 2x Neeos at 20% off msrp and he replied that it was way too expensive or something to that effect (this is one of those guys who only wants to buy used equipment and/or at dealer pricing only).  I also did some programming on his system and found him very difficult to work with, slow to pay invoices, etc...so I nicely let him know at that time that I was very busy and that I didn't want to work with him moving forward.
Fast forward to this past Friday...as you see above he posts on this thread with his phone number that he needs an integrator (not surprisingly).  I didn't reply, because I recognized the user and remembered my unpleasant past experience with him.  Then I started receiving phone calls and text messages from him on Friday evening, saying he needs help getting his security system keypad working with Control4 again.  I didn't respond, and wake up on Saturday morning at 7am my time to missed calls from him.  I informed him via text that I was too busy to work on his system at this time, at which point he asked me if I would be willing to re-consider.  Then he requests that I refer him to another programmer...I ignored that request because I would not want to do that to anyone else...then he starts texting me question marks since I hadn't replied....at which point I informed him that I was going to be blocking his contact...he responds that I am a "cry baby".  Not sure if he messaged me after that (probably, but I blocked him so I don't know thank God)...then he makes this false post above to try to tarnish my reputation.  Just goes to show once again that on the internet, you can post whatever you like, whether there is truth to it or not is up to the reader to decide!

Also +1 for AudioControl for quality, but Denon/Marantz is flawless integration also.  

I have 2 bundles of used EA3v2 with 2 Neeos (each Controller ships with 2 Neeos).  
$1000 per Combo (EA3+2 Neeos). Free Shipping to the US.  
 
International sales you MUST provide a label.  Please don’t ask me to ship Internationally otherwise.  
 
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TIA
 

They compete in the distributed audio space only.  Autonomics is not an automation platform, strictly distributed audio.  So right now it’s Ryff (C4) Mirage (Autonomics), Fusion, Sonos, Heos, BluSound and maybe a few others that provide  both the stream and the distribution with Control4.  

AVPro Edge is the real deal.  You’ll never look back. Gold standard.  

What @SpencerTsaid.  For the audiocast feature you have to have the Core in your project.  But you can use Micros versus straight Nanos no problem.  The issue is that you “may” be able to use in S. Africa with a special request to Josh.  Right now it boils down to a language thing.  Josh currently is English only and they are working on having Josh better understand commands with more English dialects or accents.  

It’s more of the issue of the maturation of home automation versus generational.  The future is voice, motion, occupancy and fencing.  The idea is to automate systems so that a separate device ( remote, app, etc) is unnecessary for many common things. This circumvents remotes, switches, button presses etc.  
Walk into a room and the lights come on, the lights stay on as long as you’re in the room, temperature adjusts, potentially your music plays and any additional commands can be issued while you’re shaving (voice) etc. The fencing piece adds that the system knows it’s you versus another household member.  
Hate to blow up what little we know at the moment, but it appears that the upcoming series of remotes will incorporate voice at least for AV to start.  

Here's what I have right now:
2  -  Chime Video Doorbells in Black or Silver (PoE Version) $450ea Shipped 1 New - T4 8" Wall Touchscreens (White) $900 Shipped 1 - New T4 10" Wall Touchscreen (White) $1,275.00 Shipped 3 - T3 Midboxes $85ea Shipped 1 - Open Box (was mounted and replaced) Wattbox WB-700- IPVM-12 - $400 Shipped (Open Box Perfect, Not effected by the Recall) 1 - Open Box Mikrotik RB3011 - $50 Shipped 1 - BEG Ethernet Gateway DIN-BEG-V2 - $75 Shipped. 2 - NYCE  Zigbee C4 4" Satin Nickel Door Hinges - $80 Total for both Shipped  20 - White Control4 Mechanical Switches 2 for $15 Shipped 2 Pakedge 2-Outlet PDU's (Model P2) 2 for $100 total for both Shipped White Faceplates for earlier Gen Lighting AC-WP1P10-W 2 -  Core1 New $800 Shipped 1 - CA-1 Open Box $175 Shipped 5 EA1PoEv2 Used $375ea Shipped  1 -  Wattbox WB-700- IPVM-12 - $350 Shipped Works Perfect 2 - Control4 Wireless Thermostat by Aprilaire C4-THERM-WH (No Box, No Outdoor Sensor, Perfect Working Order) $150ea Shipped 2 - EA3v2 Perfect Working Order (Controller and Power Cord Only) $400 Shipped 1 - EA5v2 Perfect Working Order - $850 Shipped 1 - CA-1 $150 Shipped 6 (Black and Silver) *Original Kickstarter Neeo Remotes - (Remote & Charger Only) Some Scratches, all work perfect $275 Shipped (Min Purchase 2 - Colors are 1st Come First Served)   
Shipping is FREE/Items over $500 Insured to the US (but I will ship anywhere if you provide the label).  I will do a simple driver install (remotely) for no charge with any purchase totaling over $500.

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As an advanced end-user with C4, Home Assistant, Hubitat, Apple HomeKit, and Alexa here are some of my general observations:
Different people have different use cases, and dealers should be able to be responsive to each. These systems need to be broken down between control and automation capabilities. They all will do some of each, but not to the same levels. Further, there is a large difference between AV and non-AV use cases. Maybe security too. Finally, device markets continue to make significant changes. Consumer level stuff is becoming more capable, making some of the higher-end stuff like distributed video and audio even more niche. The Thread/Matter devices coming out will keep that trend going for a while. C4 dealers should understand the capabilities of the consumer/DIY stuff even if they never want to deal with it. Here are some more specific observations/opinions
My use case: I use C4 to control AV, lights, HVAC. I use Hubitat for most automation of non-AV components especially lights. I use Home Assistant to bring a couple cloud integrations into my system. I use Apple Home for device control. I push devices to Apple Home via Homebridge. Alexa is linked to both C4 and Hubitat. C4 is great for controlling AV stuff. That's how I came to use it. C4 is OK for controlling other things. I'm an Apple user and while the C4 phone/pad app has certainly become more responsive, it's still not what I would call great. As said in another reply in this thread, one nice thing is the consistent interface. Dashboards are one of those things that people have strong feelings about. Within dashboards there are 2 use cases too, 1) display of information, and 2) device control. They are of minimal use to me, so I would never buy a T4 or any other touch screen just for HA purposes. Home Assistant is extremely flexible and powerful. C4 is OK, and Hubitat is not very good without an extreme amount of effort. As stated before, Apple Home is good and easy to implement for non-AV control. From an automation perspective C4, Hubitat, and Home Assistant are all capable and reliable. All have UI issues that mostly become no more than annoyances with use. C4's are a mid '90s Novell Netware like interface with some inconsistencies in how automations are categorized/accessed. And the requirement to use a Windows app. Hubitat's UI is a bit clickety. Home Assistant has a big curve due to its fairly quickly changing design and a mix of YAML, integrations, devices, entities, blueprints, etc. All 3 have apps that will streamline automations. My biggest use case is for sensor-based lighting and I find Hubitat to be the best as it has a couple built-in apps that cover use cases from simple to complex. All done via a web UI.  One of C4's big selling points is support. Can't be undersold for many customers. The others rely on user forums. Hubitat has a very good user forum where questions get answered, even by company owners. Home Assistant has a big forum with very uneven quality. For example, RadioRA 2 issues get few to no answers and the integration is still old-style. One of Hubitat's owners uses RadioRA 2 and any issues are quickly addressed.  All have fairly good device integration capabilities. As said, C4 is superior for AV devices. C4 gets limited by its Zigbee Pro implementation. I came to C4 via an existing implementation in my newer house. I have a collection of about 50 Zigbee sensors that I am not willing to change out. On the AV side the Apple Music, Spotify, and Sonos C4 integrations are non-existent or lacking (I realize that may not be solely due to C4). The nice thing about the DIY controllers, especially Home Assistant, is that there is almost always someone who comes up with automation capabilities for new devices. One downside is that sometimes those integrations are a reverse engineered implementation like MyQ, Lutron Caséta, or August that are subject to undocumented API changes. I dislike the dealer model. Dealers add value for many customers. I'd like the market to be more like plumbers. One can hire a plumber to change a toilet flap or one can do all the work to re-plumb their renovation. The plumbers don't care if you solder your joints and the plumbing supply companies are happy to sell you whatever you need. I'm happy to pay for 4Sight and would pay more for complete system access. To address a couple specific points in this thread, a) I use the C4 native Apple TV IP driver on one of my Apple TVs. I don't use it a lot, but I have not noticed any recent issues. And b) presence can be a tricky issue no matter what system one uses. One way to make presence more reliable is to aggregate sensors. Apple Home, Alexa, Ubiquiti routers all have triggers and messages that can be used for presence. Another phone app that may help is Geofency. Aggregate them to get better reliability. Presence is hard to automate because there are so many potential exceptions, like having workers in your house when you leave. Overall I'm happy with my setup even though I need more than one controller to make it all work. I do think there will be lots of evolution in the next few years that will open up new competitive opportunities for C4 and other companies.

Figured I'd share a simple hack I did tonight that came out well (I think):
Use Case: Our front door DS2 has occasional false positives for our motion annoucement (which we love), so I wanted to add a second sensor to QA that via confirmation logic Solution: Dissasembled a NYCE 3041 and integrated it into a 1" PVC pipe/cap, sealed it at the bottom and sensor for the outdoor environment, painted and cut it to be a landscape 'stake' Given these sensors are known to be durable outdoors pre-mod., thinking it will hold up. Also upped to a CR123 for 2x battery life (despite easy cap removal to change).

Same thing here. I did see on my customer account all Alexa source integrations (turn on keeping cameras, keeping roku, etc) were unchecked. Rechecked those can turn on but still won't turn off with room off command which it used to. 

I got a set of these as well - same great experience as the poster above. They work perfectly!

Ordered a set of remotes. They were in perfect condition and shipped super fast.  thanks again mate.